Terminology

[Jed]

What would the proper terminology be when referring to triads that are comprised of chord tones (other than the root) of 7th chords and/or chord tones & extensions of other (extended) chords:

Examples (in B major):

A#° relative to F#7
A#° is the VII°
and the diminished triad built off the 3rd of V7

G#- relative to Emaj7 or C#-9
G#- is the VI-
and the minor triad built off the 3rd of IVmaj7
and the minor triad built off the 5th of II-9

F# relative to D#-7, Bmaj9, G#-11 or Emaj13 (#11)
F# is the V
and the major triad built off the 3rd of III-7
and the major triad built off the 5th of Imaj9
and the major triad built off the 7th of VI-11
and the major triad built off the 9th of IVmaj13 (#11)

Thanks in advance

[UKRuss]

Lordy!!

I'm looking forward to the answer.

[gennation]

I think you're referring to "voicings".

Many of them do not really have names, especially in written music...at least there isn't a standard that I'm aware of...Because...

you are ALWAYS at the mercy of the composer/transcriber.

Someone may write a chord as a Gdim7 while the bass note is A. Someone else may write that chord as a A7b9. Of course there is a difference, but not really Interval-wise.

Same with Quartal/Modal chords, they are just written with the basic chord name "from the Root, up". Although, they could contain many different "voicings" related to that one chord diatonically that never get mentioned in the chart.

Many times Inversions aren't labeled/termed in charts either. Sure you occasionally get the "chord/in the bass" labels on a chart, but it's not saying "1st Inversion", "2nd Inversion", etc...just "chord/in the bass".

Maybe I read your question wrong , but voicings are basically just voicings of a particular chord name, at least chart-wise.

Beyond that, I guess the other term could be "enharmonic" since you're viewing each note of the chord/voicing separately as a Root and finding it's origins.

[Jed]

Voicings and inversions are different animals . . .

I'm asking about terminology to describe triads built from the upper structure chord tones of other chords.

cheers,

[JonR]

I'd say a triad is a triad...
Eg, "the minor triad built off the 3rd of IVmaj7" is just a minor triad. (Eg, Am relative to Fmaj7.)
Otherwise, you could call it a "rootless Fmaj7".

If the root is played by another instrument, it's a rootless voicing.
If the root is missing - then it is the other chord.
A7b9 with no root is C#dim7. C#dim7 does not represent chord tones of A7b9 if A is missing.
A-C-E forms an Am triad, whether it's the top 3 notes of Fmaj7, Dm9, F#m7b5, whatever.
If context suggests one of those other identities - then it's a rootless voicing.

Personally, I don't see the need for any special terminology... :confused: