peter_traj
06-22-2002, 07:07 AM
hi everyone, i am back for more!i seriously love this forum!!!
anyway here we go. i have been studing chord formulas and how to create them on the fretboard instead of always looking them up in a chord book.before i go on i must say that if any other novice player wants to further themselves , learning to create chords is extremely benificial and has helped me HEAPS!! i have attached a diagram with this thread to help with the question and i sure hope that it appears on the thred. fig.1 is a C major barre chord using the A form barre. the position is on the 3rd fret with the root on the A string.(very common).fig.2 is the same thing with the intervals from the root C included instead of the notes. ok, now i picked up my guitar and freted this chord and i thought i will just muck around and create some chords. it didnt matter if they sounded terrible or if the fingerings were difficult,i just thought it would be good practise. now the formula for this chord is R-3-5,but what i noticed was the ACTUAL 3rd interval, on the D string is not used, because it is behind the barre, so the 3rd an octave up is used instead. so i thought its the same note just at a higher pitch and the formula is still correct. OR IS IT? the formula asks for a major third from the ROOT. now i can see that it IS a major 3rd from the octave on the G string, which is also a root but it got me thinking a little. now if we had enough fingers we could fret this chord in the same position on the guitar but instead use the ACTUAL 3rd from the root C on the A string and not the 3rd up an octave. fine, but the chord would sound different to the other and still be called a C major chord. so i came to the conclusion the that formula is correct because it askes for a major third but it does NOT specifiy WHICH root. it can be an octave before or after. excelent i thought, that solves that !!.not quite,because then came the question of why do we have 9ths 11 ths and so forth,i mean they are only 2nd and 4th intervals up an octave and we can use which ever one we want to create the chord. so now my question is why do we have a ninth chord or a add9 or 11 etc,etc when we could just name them 2nd's or add2 etc. so then i thought i better get on the net and ask you guys cause i was getting a MIGRANE!! ha,ha. before i go i had 1 more question. looking at fig 1. (the C barre chord on the 3rd fret) the root is C on the A string. the 5th is a G on the D string, but the G on the E string is a 4th from the root!!now i know that the G is a 5th from the previous octave but going backwards from my root it is a 4th! so my question is can i use it for constructing say a sus chord or some sort of 11th or do i treat it as a 5th? this thread may sound silly but i dont care if anyone laughs because some times you have to ask silly questions to find what your looking for. so thats it. please dont think of this question from a practical point of veiw because some of the chords may not be frettable or sound crap. so just treat it stictly as theory. i am sorry for writing so much but i am turning into a theory JUNKIE!! thanks again and i would greatly appreciate your reply. Sincerly, Peter
anyway here we go. i have been studing chord formulas and how to create them on the fretboard instead of always looking them up in a chord book.before i go on i must say that if any other novice player wants to further themselves , learning to create chords is extremely benificial and has helped me HEAPS!! i have attached a diagram with this thread to help with the question and i sure hope that it appears on the thred. fig.1 is a C major barre chord using the A form barre. the position is on the 3rd fret with the root on the A string.(very common).fig.2 is the same thing with the intervals from the root C included instead of the notes. ok, now i picked up my guitar and freted this chord and i thought i will just muck around and create some chords. it didnt matter if they sounded terrible or if the fingerings were difficult,i just thought it would be good practise. now the formula for this chord is R-3-5,but what i noticed was the ACTUAL 3rd interval, on the D string is not used, because it is behind the barre, so the 3rd an octave up is used instead. so i thought its the same note just at a higher pitch and the formula is still correct. OR IS IT? the formula asks for a major third from the ROOT. now i can see that it IS a major 3rd from the octave on the G string, which is also a root but it got me thinking a little. now if we had enough fingers we could fret this chord in the same position on the guitar but instead use the ACTUAL 3rd from the root C on the A string and not the 3rd up an octave. fine, but the chord would sound different to the other and still be called a C major chord. so i came to the conclusion the that formula is correct because it askes for a major third but it does NOT specifiy WHICH root. it can be an octave before or after. excelent i thought, that solves that !!.not quite,because then came the question of why do we have 9ths 11 ths and so forth,i mean they are only 2nd and 4th intervals up an octave and we can use which ever one we want to create the chord. so now my question is why do we have a ninth chord or a add9 or 11 etc,etc when we could just name them 2nd's or add2 etc. so then i thought i better get on the net and ask you guys cause i was getting a MIGRANE!! ha,ha. before i go i had 1 more question. looking at fig 1. (the C barre chord on the 3rd fret) the root is C on the A string. the 5th is a G on the D string, but the G on the E string is a 4th from the root!!now i know that the G is a 5th from the previous octave but going backwards from my root it is a 4th! so my question is can i use it for constructing say a sus chord or some sort of 11th or do i treat it as a 5th? this thread may sound silly but i dont care if anyone laughs because some times you have to ask silly questions to find what your looking for. so thats it. please dont think of this question from a practical point of veiw because some of the chords may not be frettable or sound crap. so just treat it stictly as theory. i am sorry for writing so much but i am turning into a theory JUNKIE!! thanks again and i would greatly appreciate your reply. Sincerly, Peter