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Oceano
05-05-2003, 02:21 PM
I was just reading some news on Blabbermouth, and found it very funny that the bands playing in Metallica's tribute show, didn't play any of the solos of the songs.

Taking a look at the bands playing, it's no surprise, since I doubt any of those players (no disrespect) have anough skill to play any of Kirk's solos (which are not very hard to begin with).

I know those bands were picked because they are popular, but I wonder if Metallica didn't feel a bit funny about it.

Here is the article:


"The night started out with a brief performance by SUM 41. They began to jam 'For Whom the Bell Tolls' and quickly transitioned to 'Enter Sandman'. During their performance, METALLICA made their way through the crowd and into their seats behind the general admission, where they remained until their performance at the end of the show.

"After everyone settled down, Lisa Marie Presley hit the stage to introduce a video covering a condensed history of METALLICA and Jason Newsted. In the video, Jason stated that he KNEW the band's VH1 performance of 'Fade to Black' would be their last gig together. Jason also mentioned he will still go to METALLICA tours and cheer them on.

"After a 'Beavis and Butthead' cartoon, STAIND hit the right stage with a condensed version of 'Nothing Else Matters'. It ran around 3 or 4 minutes and stopped before the solo. The vocals by Aaron of STAIND were exceptional but the guitars could have been more accurate. The next cover, which raised many questions, was Avril Lavigne on 'Fuel'. Surprisingly, the performance wasn't half bad since the band members accurately played the notes. Avril's voice didn't blend well with the heavy guitars and loud drums but for a pop-teenager singer, it was decent.

"The next cover and the most humorous featured Snoop Dogg, who walked through the crowd onto the stage to begin his cover of 'Sad But True' The smell of marijuana was in the air, and judging by his performance, Snoop Dogg was high on it, but that's expected of him. He sang the chorus and the verse at the wrong time but somehow managed to receive a positive reaction from the crowd.

"A short video high-lighted the history of METALLICA and James' past issues with alcohol and how he overcame it.

"Quickly after the video, Chester from LINKIN PARK and Travis from BLINK 182 introduced KORN, who covered 'One'. The guitars were right on, but the vocals were very muffled and distorted by the loud riffing and drumming. The cover ran for about 4-5 minutes and didn't include the one solo. The important point is the song was condensed, along with the rest of the covers at 'Icon'.

"Michelle Branch came out and introduced 4 marines who were stationed in Iraq. The crowd began chanting 'USA' and they made a little speech about how METALLICA and other music in general influenced their life. Shortly after, another video hit the jumbo screen high-lighting METALLICA's 'Black Album'.

"Ex-'Saturday Night Live' star Jim Breuer stumbled out on stage and did a joke song called 'If you are happy and you know it' with a METALLICA sound to it. Very funny I must admit — the boys were cracking up

"Next, a row of fans hit the stage and they were asked to describe METALLICA in a few words. Some words I heard were 'kick ***, influential, orgasmic, loyalty, adrenaline, and rebellion.'

"LIMP BIZKIT hit the stage and was greeted with some boo's and hissing in the crowd. They were soon silenced by a cover of 'Sanitarium', which was surprisingly one of the better covers on 'Icon'. The vocals were solid for the most part but the screaming became a little overbearing at climactic points of the song. In the line 'saves us from our hell' Fred Durst screamed 'hell' over and over. Durst later asked everyone to stand up in the seating section and attempted to hype the crowd up

"STAIND re-did 'Nothing Else Matters' because something went wrong the first time. Not sure what but it seemed just as good the second time around.

"FINALLY, they began setting up for METALLICA! They brought out loads of amps on the main floor and then began BUILDING A SNAKEPIT! I was right in front of the snakepit where James and Kirk eventually stood! The snakepit took 20 minutes to set up, and now the moment we all have been waiting for: METALLICA! [After being introduced by actor Sean Penn], the band started up the gig with a little bit of 'Hit the Lights', and rushed into a medley including '…Sandman', 'Blackened', 'Creeping Death', and 'Battery'. Then the band stopped and they debuted 'Frantic' from 'St. Anger'! The first thought that came to mind was heavy, and there were many tempo changes. Some lyrics included 'Frantic-tic-toc-tic-toc' and 'The Search Goes On' All in all, an awesome and heavy METALLICA song that fans will surely be pleased with. After they finished 'Frantic' the band actually played it a SECOND time (Just in case it didn't hit us hard enough the first time around). As the song ended, so did the night. Thanks MTV!"

EricV
05-05-2003, 03:30 PM
Well, itīs just show-biz I guess. I donīt doubt that some of the guys in those bands were influenced by Metallica ( Where was Creed ? Marc Tremonti constantly mentions Metallica as a huge influence ).
But I guess MTV wanted some really "hip" artists instead of bands whoīd be able to play the songs alright.
Regarding the lack of solos: No surprise here. I donīt think it was only the playing-technique... I think itīs also the manner that songs often are treated on the radio... usually, the solos are cut short or thereīs the fade-out.
Also, in the music of Korn, Bizkit, Staind, there arenīt that many leads anyway.

Have you seen the Icon-show for Aerosmith ? It was kinda cool, and I was extremely surprised by Shakira... she did a great job, really cool show, and even ran up to Steven Tyler and sang together with him...
Eric

Oceano
05-05-2003, 03:54 PM
I mean, you don't have to play the solos, but they are a very important part of Metallica's songs.

EricV
05-05-2003, 04:03 PM
I completely agree, but I guess a lot of people donīt even care. I havenīt seen the show yet... did the Korn-guys play at least the intro-solo of "One" ... ?
Because I consider that an important part of the song, too...

Have you heard those rumors that there are hardly any solos on the upcoming Metallica-album ? I heard someone say that there are none at all...
Eric

Oceano
05-05-2003, 04:36 PM
Maybe the new album won't have solos in the traditional way, but I can't see it not having any at all.

I didn't see the actual show, I just read a report. I am curious also to see if Korn did the intro solo for "one" or not. An interesting thing about Korn, is that at least one of their guitar players (if not both), played in a LA metal band prior to Korn. I forgot their name, but it has the word Blue in it. They were a little know and put out some albums, in a more hard rock vein (with solos and everything).

EricV
05-05-2003, 04:46 PM
Again, no surprise here. I heard that many of those guitarists from those "hip bands" actually are not that bad, they just donīt get many chances to show it.
I heard that Tremonti and Borland actually can shred a bit, and I also heard that one of the guys from Slipknot even did neoclassical shred in the early 90s... also, Amir Derakh ( sp ? ) from Orgy was in a hair-band in the 80s ( I think it was Rough Cutt ) and actually showed some chops, too
Eric

Oceano
05-05-2003, 05:01 PM
The guy from Primus, used to play in Possessed (Speed/Thrash metal), an 80's band, and was a student of Joe Satriani. In fact, he got Joe Satriani to produce one of their early albums.

Like you said, they don't get a chance to show what they know.

EricV
05-05-2003, 05:36 PM
Yeah, Larry LaLonde... I didnīt hear a lot of Primus-stuff yet, but I remember hearing a song called "Wynonaīs Big Brown Beaver" which, as far as I can remember ( itīs been years ) had a pretty crazy solo...
Eric

Oceano
05-05-2003, 05:52 PM
Well, Primus stuff is still very technical, but in a different way. The bass playing is very good, and so are the guitars, but not in a "shred way" (whatever that means).

metaljustice83
05-05-2003, 07:04 PM
I'll post something tomorrow night after I've seen the real thing. But I hope there are solos in the new album...I can't wait for it to come out!!!!!!!

metaljustice83
05-05-2003, 07:14 PM
I was kinda hopeing sum 41 would have done a solo, ya know? them actually having solos in thier music, even though they aren't hard at all, very basic, from what I've heard of them. I figured since they are into judiest preists and such, they might have some chops, but I guess not.

FireStorm
05-05-2003, 07:34 PM
Yo Eric I actually heard the same stuff about those nu-metal band guitarists, they can actually solo! Apparently the guitarist in Staind is a major shredder. Wes Borland can shred too. I actually heard some sound clips of the guy from Slipknot soloing neoclassical style and he's good! but a bit sloppy. Tremonti actually used the Troy Stetina speed mechanics book. The band disturbed before they went to the studio had solos on every song. It does annoy me that those guitarists don't solo even though they can:mad:

metaljustice83
05-06-2003, 03:28 AM
mike mushok from staind was taught by tony macalpine (sorry my spelling is horrible) from what I understand

FireStorm
05-06-2003, 03:37 AM
Yes! That's right! I was trying to think the name. One promising guitarist who actually solos despite being in a nu-metal band is the guitarist from Godsmack.

metaljustice83
05-08-2003, 03:02 AM
well I'm ready to hear your opinions, other than metallica, SUM 41 ruled the night in my opinion. They had the balls to play a solo correctly!! for the most part. and snoop dogg had NO, I REPEAT NO purpose for being up there, he sucked, period, I don't think anyone will disagree. Korn was ok, except the bass was all crappy, as they play in thier music. it fits thier music, and its ok in thier music, but not in metallica. avril has guts, what other girl would even take the opurtunity to sing a metallica song!!! who else??? I'm not gonna say I was impressed with her preformance, but I would I respect her preformance better than limp bizkit's. They ....well.......made it into a limp bizkit song, and thats not what its supposed to be, they rapped the verses, I liked the chorus's that he sang though, he did that well. The guitarist from snot was doing pretty good, and his bassist was good too. John otto ( i think thats right) was adding a little funkish stuff to the drums, which is his style, and I didn' mind that, but!!!!!!!!!! metallica IS NOT RAP.

I think I covered everthing except!!

METALLICA ROCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! :cool: :cool: :cool:

And the new taste of the song frantic off of the new album has me all worked up. I can't wait to get the new album.

reminder these are all MY opinions, I hope we all can agree to disagree, if you don't agree, ........or somthing

METALJUSTICE

Schooligo
05-08-2003, 08:07 AM
I thought some of the performances as well as the story behind the history of Metallica was good,

however overall I was disappointed,

why?

well one reason is because I had the opportunity to see last years MTV Icon show as a tribute to Aerosmith.

That show was really good in my opinion, & I compared this show to that one.

so I was looking forward to this one,

on the surface: The idea to have performers of different musical styles play songs as a tribute to Metallica, Aerosmith, or whomever else is the MTV Icon is an excellent idea.

but In my opinion, some of the performers that were asked to cover Metallica songs either did not make the effort to learn the song

&/or showed minimal enthusiasm that they enjoyed the song as they were performing it.

unlike some musicians opinions, I don't necessarily prioritorize that the performers in this show solo extensively(there were short solo's)

I've always been of the opinion that if the performer comes up with a solo that ADDS to the song, then play this Solo, but don't force a Solo otherwise it could harm the bigger picture which is the overall integrity of the song.

in my IMHO the Aerosmith show was more professional, & the performers genuinely seemed to play as a tribute to Aerosmith,

as opposed to this show being "just thrown together" using popular performers to get ratings which is what I thought of this show.

metaljustice83
05-08-2003, 05:43 PM
yea for the most part I agree

Hanzo Hattori
05-10-2003, 10:27 PM
I agree.. it didn't so much seem like a metallica tribute, but just a metallica cover show. and i think the sum41's guitarist actully did a good job. Ummm, and Avril lavigne just upset me being there... sorry >_<

Koala
05-11-2003, 12:06 AM
Amazingly enough Lars seems to love Avril, he says wonderful things about her.
I have yet to see the show, but iīve seen her live on TV and it doesnīt get much worse than her, and her band for that matter.
A word of advice, shes nice to look at just press that MUTE key on your remote as soon as she comes on.



K

Koala
05-11-2003, 12:08 AM
And i must say it crushes me to see her slamming PRSīs and breaking them in half after singing skater boy a couple of times.
Hey ive never been a guitar smasher, but if i ever break, or burn or chew on one it will definitely happen only after a very very inspired performance.


K