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slash_ragnarok
06-24-2009, 08:17 AM
Hi,
As I mentioned in another post I can (could?:() alternate pick 16th notes at 160 bpm comfortably. Now, after analyzing my technique carefully, I realized that my technique when picking at slow speeds is completely different from when I'm picking in the 140+ bpm range.

Firstly at slow speeds my hand moves casually as if I'm strumming chords making large movements and my knuckles kinda make an angle to the guitar body. That is my knuckles would point at someone standing in front of my neck facing the neck. At slow speeds I anchor my pinky to the guitar body, sometimes the first string even to get a feel for where the other strings are and my pick slant is much less because I have all the time in the world to fight the resistance offered by the string to my pick.

At high speeds my whole hand from the wrist freezes up and there is no contact between any part of my picking hand with the guitar with the exception of my picking hand thumb muting the lower strings and the heel of my palm occasionally grazing the strings to deaden them or mute them. My pick is much more slanted as I have to resist the string with my pick in a much shorter time period and my knuckles face in a direction in front of my pickups. The large picking hand movements have now been reduced to the pick not getting anywhere farther than maybe 0.1 mm or even less from the string it is picking.

Now the dilemna:
Mr John Petrucci, in his video Rock Discipline, says that your technique when playing slow should be exactly the same as when you are playing fast. Now who in their right minds would ignore His advice?
I try my small movements, no anchoring, pick hand stiff approach at speeds below 120 bpm and voila, my whole arm tenses up. My shoulders, my triceps all freeze up and in a few minutes my arm feels like it's been pushing a wall.

Mr XYZ Shredder on the other hand supports my earlier technique and says fast picking is as different from slow picking as walking is from running. Running aint fast walking. The technique changes when we run.

In all probability I'll return to my previous technique. But before I throw John's suggestion out of the window I'd like to ask you, where did I go wrong with John's suggestion. I mean I get all the "It works for Him and not for You" stuff but hey! jump off a building, the good man gets as badly hurt as a bad man. I mean it's all science isn't it? The laws are same for everyone.

Any comments on my dilemna is appreciated. Thanks.

Ameretat
06-24-2009, 08:41 AM
It is all science and you should ignore what Petrucci said. I think he didn't mean it that way to begin with. I think he meant, you should keep it just as tight at any speed. Because it is anatomically impossible to play the same slowly and quickly. The laws of nature prevent it. Check out my posts in the Developing Speed and Harder Pick + Slanting threads. You'll notice I mention a thing called momentum. Do the math. :D

Actually, when you watch Pectrucci's Rock Discipline carefully and rewind a lot, you'll notice he uses completely different motions when he speeds up. Well, "completely" different is a bit much said - but apparently irellevant details can have major impact on the end result.

By the way, whatever you do, don't rest your pinky on the guitar body. Do yourself a favor and put in a few days of getting rid of this habit. It will make your life much easier, particularily if your aim is high speed. I didn't understand the part about your knuckles pointing this way and that, 'though. Try posting a picture or drawing or something. That'll be easier and clearer.

And never trust something a musician (no matter how good) is saying. Trust the way it sounds, trust the way it looks on tape but be sceptical about the words comming out of his mouth when referring to practicing. God nows how long ago he passed the hurdles you are now facing. It's a good chance he doesn't really know how to put it in words - and if he does, maybe he didn't have the exact same problems you had so he doesn't know how to explain solving. Remember Segovia's "brilliant" methods of teaching ("See? Know you do as I did...")

Ameretat
06-24-2009, 08:43 AM
Sorry, just wanted to edit the previous post and accidentally clicked on "quote". I can't seem to be able to delete my posts, so could ne of the mods do it for me and delete this one, please?

slash_ragnarok
06-24-2009, 09:22 AM
Notice how my slow picking position is slightly rotated from my fast picking position.

ChainsawGuitar
06-24-2009, 07:51 PM
I would say it has to be the same motion fast and slow, thats what I do- and you really really shouldnt be tensing up at all! The reason people tense up is usually due to bad technique.

If I was you, I would spend time trying to get the most efficient motion (i.e. the one with the least amount of effort and/or extra movement) at a slow speed and then slowly speed that up, and never let yourself tense up one bit!

Tension in your muscles actually slows them down! You need to aim to do the right action in the first place, and then all you need to do is play the same thing sped up. You should find that there is no extra stress/tension in your muscles as you speed up.

Sorry I cant explain it better without actually seeing you pick or meeting you in person, but I hope this helps :)