Extreme shred licks

[neo shredder]

Well im 15 year with a lot time cause im on vacation, well here are some of my licks!

[Thorsten]

Hey Neo, cool lick!

I think it maybe hard for some to execute this properly who are not familiar with eight finger tapping.

So I´d play it the alternative version using a different fingering, three notes per string and alternate picking.

Of course the sound is different but you can also play it faaaaast!

But cool idea anyway, specially cause you´re only 15. Hats off!
Maybe you can post and mp3 of you playing this?

Later
TK

[neo shredder]

heres the two hand harmonizing of the steve vai lick from the song of hot dog and a shake. guitar one is the left hand and guitar two is the right hand. it may take a while to get this lick to its actual speed but when you do WOW!

[neo shredder]

heres my third lick. from the solo of fire of rock by racer x. For those who have heard it, the solo is composed for two guitars one being overdubbed. the first part is the original way to play it(same fingerings) and the second is arranged for the two handed version. notice that you must change parts in the middle. again its really hard to pull of this lick because the right hand isnt as good as the left but practice makes perfect. this took me about 2 months to perfect so be patient also have fun!

[neo shredder]

Originally posted by Thorsten
Hey Neo, cool lick!

I think it maybe hard for some to execute this properly who are not familiar with eight finger tapping.

So I´d play it the alternative version using a different fingering, three notes per string and alternate picking.

Of course the sound is different but you can also play it faaaaast!

But cool idea anyway, specially cause you´re only 15. Hats off!
Maybe you can post and mp3 of you playing this?

Later
TK i would love to post a mp3 but i dont know how to if you or anybody can tell me how i would gladly do it
for that lick i put my left hand over the neck and right also it just looks so flashy, why because i seen in 80s rock videos people traying to do it but didnt seem like they were doing it all like if it was just for the video. i also seen Y.J.M putting his hand over the neck on his instructional video but was just messing around.
PLus when done right it looks really flashy witch is good on stage!

[neo shredder]

Well those are some of my licks hope you guys like them and gives you guys some new shred licks! to get the right hand better i suggest you do some of the same licks you do with your left on your right with pure hammer and pull offs. it also helps if you get string dampers you can kill all of that exesive noise that the other strings make when a direct tap is made on a fret and that weird noise that you get when you tap the higher frets with holding any string hope this helps

Shreds not dead!!!!!!!!!

[Anubis]

Here's my favorite lick.
Be careful though so you don't hurt yourself.

http://w1.605.telia.com/~u60511686/superlick.ptb

[Thorsten]

LOL...Anubis, again you hit the nail on the head!:D That quote is soooo true.

On the other hand...give Neo a chance. He´s only 15 and wants to shred which I think is great...better than listening to N`Sync, ey!

TK

[Anubis]

Thorsten wrote: LOL...Anubis, again you hit the nail on the head! That quote is soooo true.On the other hand...give Neo a chance. He´s only 15 and wants to shred which I think is great...better than listening to N`Sync, ey!
He he...well Thorsten I hope people can take a joke ;)
I am one of the biggest shred fans on earth and I listen to shred music all the time.
I am a total shred o maniac.
I just love high intensity guitar playing just like many others here.
I have listened to Yngwies Far Beyond The Sun since the album came out and I still love the song.
At this very moment I am sitting here and listening to a guy named Chris Brook and his song Kryptica.
Great guitar player and a very cool song http://www.chrisbrooks.net/

The reason I have to be a little hard on Neo Shredder is that I am 33-years old and I started to play guitar in 1981 and this little 15-year old is probably a much better guitar player then me after such a short time :mad:
Just kidding. I don't have a problem with things like that.
I have jammed with people that are pros and I see it more as a good learning experience.
A good way to become better is to play with people that is much better.
That is how I look at it.
I feel very secure with myself and I don't feel any competition in my guitar playing.
I have always played just for fun in cover bands and never had any high goals except for having fun.

The Santana quote is important to remember though.
All the fast licks must fit into a context of a good song and a good song needs some sort of melody that people can understand.

Another thing I once learned from reading an interview with Steve Vai was to try and describe on the guitar what you experience and feel in your real life.
For example you had a bad day at work. Well pick up your guitar when you get home and try to compose a melody or something that describes exactly how you feel.
Another example. You got speed tickets for driving to fast.
Well pick up the guitar and write a song about it. That will probably end up in a great shred song :D


One thing I remember that happened many years ago when I was even a bigger shred fan then I am today was some live gigs I did at the time.
When I played some slow solos with a good melody most of the audience obviously appreciated that more then when I did some shredding.
I guess the reason is that most people in the audience don't understand shredding but they do understand a beautiful melody.
It is harder to understand advanced playing and that is also the reason why not so many people listen to classical music and jazz.
It is to advanced to understand for peoples ears.
I also believe that all the females in the audience see the guitar as an extension of our penis.
That means if I play fast...well you get the idea :p
This is the reason why you won't find many womens at a shred concert.


But keep shredding people.
It still rules and as Thorsten said, it is better that people listen to shred music then N' Sync.

[neo shredder]

I also agree that there should a really good melody. I dont play fast just for the heck of it. At first i tought it was all about playing fast, but then i started to play fast so when it came to play a fast solo i could it(im in a death metal band) I play whatever goes with songs feel. and im sure that in a death metal band a slow solo wound not sound good with those really fast drums. And as ypu can see the second lick has a nice harmony. its fun to play two hand harmonizing because on stage most people cant play the second guitar part(yngiwe playing black star) so for me it comes in handy kind of a caccophony thing! By the way those anyone know the second guiatr part for cacophony's song go off?

[Bongo Boy]

...and is that a Peavy young Chris is posing with?

I'm listening to Kryptica, and although I don't care for that sort of thing that TONE is just incredible...beautiful.

[EricV]

It´s an Ibanez... :)

And I agree, he has somme cool tone in his hands..
Eric

[Bongo Boy]

Originally posted by Anubis
I also believe that all the females in the audience see the guitar as an extension of our penis.
No...actually they see that the guitarist thinks it is. That's why they find it so hilarious. :)

[neo shredder]

OK for those who like nice shred licks that are also very melodic heres some from my greates influence luis moreno

[neo shredder]

Heres a tough pentatonic lick in Dm

[neo shredder]

Heres another lick thats a pentatonic but no string skipping involved in Dmaj

[neo shredder]

heres a whole tone lick(exotic scale)

[neo shredder]

heres a three octive arp lick that involves tapping

[neo shredder]

heres a lydian sweep lick

[neo shredder]

Heres a blues shred lick thats completly different

[neo shredder]

heres another pentatonic lick

[Bizarro]

Neo, can you actually play these that quickly? These are some monster licks!

I play some things similar to 8 and 9, plus some of the tapped arpeggios in the melodic example. I don't play any of them at the tempos in the powertab files!

[neo shredder]

yeah i do play them at this speed because i play all day. im playing guitar right now thats all i do, thats all ive been doing this summer and last summer i play a lot and practice a lot

[Bizarro]

I'm jealous!

It's cool to see younger folks applying themselves and really becoming great guitar players.

[Bizarro]

Here's an example of a tapping lick that I play that is similar in structure to one of your licks. It's a Nuno lick that I picked up along the way!

This is at or near my speed limit...:(

[neo shredder]

Hey thats a really cool lick! sounds like a wide intervallic lick or something. would it be to much to ask if you could tab it out.
p.s how do you make a mp3 file
want to put some of my stuff and those licks on this forum

[Tekker]

Hey Neo, you gotta post some mp3's dude. I wanna here some of these (espcially that first two handed one) played on an actual guitar. Those are some very sweet licks! :cool:

-tkr

[Koala]

Originally posted by Tekker
Hey Neo, you gotta post some mp3's dude. I wanna here some of these (espcially that first two handed one) played on an actual guitar. Those are some very sweet licks! :cool:

-tkr

If not Neo, maybe thorsten? :) itd definitely kick assss, btw thorsten youre getting popular here in mexico city some fellas have heard you play and theyre just in absolute awe....:)

[Cuno]

I smell conspiracy... isn´t it true that this neo shredder and thorsten is in fact one and the same?!

Anyways, how do you do it neo shredder (or should i call you th..forget it)? Do you methodically work your way using a metronome or do you just go for it?

[neo shredder]

Ok look my name is adrian, ima 15 year old guitar player that lives in long beach california(30 minutes away from L.A) im mexican, ive posted this before but no one responds, how do you make a mp3 file some one please help!?
P.S i wish i could play like Tk
and thank luis moreno those are his licks

[Cuno]

Just teasing ;) My internet connection is down, i can´t even search on google. But ibm still works. Explain that! :)

So i searched a bit here at ibm and found this: http://www.ibreathemusic.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=565

Just record your playing using whatever program you like (like sndrec32.exe if you´re using windows), save it as a wave file, and the use the above link to find a tool to convert the wav-file to mp3.

[neo shredder]

whats that sndrec32.exe

[Cuno]

I´m using a swedish windows, it´s called 'Ljudinspelaren' here. I guess the english name for it (as it appears on the start-menu) would be 'Sound Recorder'. It´s bundled with windows, so you should have it there somewhere. Alt. start: Click the startmenu then 'Run', type 'sndrec32' in the box that appears, and choose ok.

[Zatz]

neo shredder,

check out www.homerecording.com

I've searched through their forums with 'recording mp3' query for you. Here's the result:

http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/search.php?action=showresults&searchid=450898&sortby=&sortorder=

Also read these links found at IBreathe forums:

http://www.ibreathemusic.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1570&highlight=recording

http://www.ibreathemusic.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1455&highlight=recording

http://www.ibreathemusic.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1427&highlight=recording

Zatz.

[neo shredder]

Hey thanks for the help but all those seem like recording programs wich i dont have or dont havee money to buy them. i use to have a cakewalk program, but my comp got meesep up last year and everything got deleted. i tried to install it but i had lost the serial number :( also i was vacumming my room(my computer was at gateway being fix like 7 weeks ago) all the wires were on the floor under the desk. well i accidently suck in the recording mike cable, it was destroyed but........ i still got a computer head phone set that has mic on it(sort of like the pilots use on a chopper) ill try to use that wont sound good but ill give it a try

[snufeldin]

I have a suspicion that you practice licks more than the application of these licks... if so, your practice is a waste of time.

I'm not trying to be mean... but as I looked at these licks, I thought "big deal" and thought "do I want to waste my time learning more shred licks?"

Does anybody else feel the same way? I think I'm into the sort of soloing where you hear then play and not just play memorized crap.

[neo shredder]

call it what u want. for me all these licks help me improvise. there more licks you the better you will know what to play next. its not also about just memorizing these licks, its to get new ideas. how do you think jason becker learned to play like he use to( hes now paralyzed from ALS and cant even move :( ) he learned yngwie's licks and took it too his own to learn em and then inspire him to make his own lick thats not the same but is the next step. Now if you dontt want to learn more licks(thanks to luis moreno) thats fine. Im only fifteen and those licks arent all what i do in a day of playing, i also study harmony and exotic styles of music(indian & japanese) All those licks are for different styles of music, take bits and pieces from each lick like i did and aply them to your style. like i said im 15 and still got a lot to learn. so if u think those are just for memorizing think again buddy! After all this is a shred thread, it says it in the title and shred is all about being technical and expressive and dont say no because there is no shred album out there thats easy to play

[Luis Moreno]

By the way these licks are very good mainly the nº4 and the nº5 Why?
Because they are mine! Make a visit to my site and see these
licks in video http://www.luismoreno.net/lessons_adv.htm

It’s a privilege to know that it has people interested in my
work. The world is very small!
www.luismoreno.net (http://www.luismoreno.net/lessons_adv.htm)


Luis Moreno

[snufeldin]

neo shredder,

I, like you, am young (17) and also have a lot to learn. But I find it very hard to believe that it is possible to hear these licks before you play them. If you were able to... I think it might sound like you're jumping from lick to lick. But you might also be one of those people who will just go into an automatic mode when soloing. By this I mean, not completely focused on what note comes next and just playing. I used to be like that, especially when I was more into shred. However, I find it more difficult and rewarding to try to think before I play... even though it results in less speed. I remember Sculz saying that it is stupid to work on playing fast when you can't think fast.


By the way... cherish your next summer b/c after that your going to have to get a job. At least I did, and man do I miss that endless time to practice.

Luis,
Humility bud... humility.

[Cuno]

Well, just to balance i´ll take make a post more balanced towards neo shredder´s opinion. Just learning licks and playing them over and again leads to pretty boring playing and mechanical thinking, true. But most people learn from the licks, and don´t use them straight off. Instead you play small variations of them or parts of them to your personal taste of the moment, stuck in between those other notes you think up at the moment. I think this is something all guitar players do, more or less consiously. It´s a great way to be more versatile and interesting in your playing.

[EricV]

Originally posted by Luis Moreno
By the way these licks are very good mainly the nº4 and the nº5 Why?
Because they are mine! Make a visit to my site and see these
licks in video http://www.luismoreno.net/lessons_adv.htm

It’s a privilege to know that it has people interested in my
work. The world is very small!
www.luismoreno.net (http://www.luismoreno.net/lessons_adv.htm)


Luis Moreno

Luis,

welcome at Ibreathe. I´ll definitely check out yer site
Eric

[Koala]

Man is this thread getting novelesque or what? Lies,deceipt, treason, bastard licks...all rolled up into one lololol.

[neo shredder]

pretty good ****in thread aint it?

[snufeldin]

I think I might have been a little misunderstood. I just wanted to comment on the importance of actually applying these licks.

Cuno,
I agree with you. However, I got the impression from the fifteen year old, a point he likes to emphasize, that he just practiced these licks until he got them fast. After all, what's the point of learning a two-handed lick, when you could easily practice harmonizing the scale with two hands? Well at least that seems more productive and useful to me.

Anyway, I don't want to give off the impression that I'm against learning licks, getting them up to speed, and learning from those licks. The thing is, if I hear a lick, I'll see what the person is doing and then apply that to my playing. I remember Eric commenting on how he never learned the licks on the videos he watched, but just got the ideas.

[EricV]

Snufeldin, you´re right.

That´s what I said. I remember when I got the Richie Kotzen video ( I think its called "Rock Chops" ). I did not learn one single lick from that video, but the solos Richie played at the beginning and the end of the video were sooo very inspiring...
I really soaked those up, and did what you just described,... I watched what he did, tried to memorize some of the techniques and kinda hear the "overall sound" of that solo, and then applied that to my own playing.
I often recommended some videos which will help you to work on your technique cuz they feature some good exercises, like the Paul Gilbert-vids.
A lot of the vids are... well, obviously not really organized. I consider many of them more of a showcase of the player that´s on it ( like the Kotzen-video amo. ). Their instructional value might be pretty low, but it´s amazing how inspiring those vids were for me...
Eric

[neo shredder]

i think the person who make the most organized and really good instructional video and is not a showcase is frank gambale. i seen his video and he does not show one of his own lick of his songs on the vid(monster lick and speed picking) he shows ho to sweep scales pentatonic scales and arps, shows how to apply them to different rythem patters and then shows you how to connect them all over the neck. and most videos are show cases of the player but like Y.J.M vid shows how to play in his style. about the two handed thing. i already harmonized a scale many many times. i have a book called begin jazz and thats were i started learnig on harmony. they talk about harmonizing all the scales and so i did so i could now how to harmonize lines and play extended chords. my point is that i already harmonized scales with both hands and im now ready to play solos using this technique. those licks are just excertps of guitar solos. its the same thing why are you gonna harmonize the scale all the time. its like playing pure excersices when first learning guitar. when some asks you to play something your gonna play a boring old excersise instead of a song, its borinng. now when someone asks you to play something involving two handed harmonizing what are you gonna play a harmonized scale? thats boring wouldnt you wonna play that tetris theme song. dont forget that playing guitar is to intertain people and your self also.

[snufeldin]

You make a good point, however, I am more a person that tries to hear things before I play them. The only purpose of practicing those scales would be so that I am able to play what I hear... not just some lick I memorized. But like you said before, you learn other people's licks to make up your own twist on the spot.

I watched that frank gambale video as well... and I know many people are going to hate me for saying this but, I got bored during his songs in his video. I'm sorry, I think it's just b/c I didn't understand it maybe, but I usually like jazz.

One more thing about the entertaining aspect of playing guitar. I have emphasized that from the very first post in this thread. I kept mentioning the application of the licks. Personally improvising is the way I apply what I've practiced.

[Koala]

Throughout this oh so dramatic thread, (where in the end someone will probablly be someone elses lost brother or somn) a question came to mind. Can anyone actually say THIS is MY LICK? Ok ok i know everyone can say it, but is it really worth it? Theyre jusy common language for guitar players, like words....hmmm i do know if i could own a word it´d be oompah loompah, but thats 2 words.....

out

[Bizarro]

I am more a person that tries to hear things before I play them. The only purpose of practicing those scales would be so that I am able to play what I hear... not just some lick I memorized.

I'm the same way in many regards... But it is important to learn licks.

I view it in the same way as learning to read and write. You have to learn your abc's, spelling, and grammar before writing a novel! With guitar there is also a certain vocabulary that must be attained for the style of music you are interested in playing.

[neo shredder]

ive record to tests on wave format, 1 called taps from hell and the other sweeps from hell. i downloaded a mp3 converter but when i convert the wav to a mp3 it ends up being really fast instead of being 49 seconds it ends up being 8 and it sounds like squeals and high notes how can i correct this?

[Cuno]

Use some other converter

[neo shredder]

ive already tried two

[Cuno]

Maybe try another recording software? What are you using now? If your wavfiles are not 44,1kHz/16bit/stereo, try to do a recording with those params and convert that instead.

[neo shredder]

how do i post a power tab image in my post

[Cuno]

You´re not giving up on the mp3's? It would be fun to hear... To attach files, use the 'Attach file' on same page as you write the reply.

[neo shredder]

im using sound recorder and the tab thing im talking abou is like the way eric v did on his liscks riffs and runs how do i do that

[Cuno]

It´s done like i said, if it´s a format the webbrowser can display, it is displayed:

[neo shredder]

i dont get it sorry but i know how to attach a power tab but i can t seem to attach the image am i suppose to copy the the power tab bar and copy it to another program or what. am i suppose to browse and i so click on what

[Cuno]

Ok, you mean how to make the image :) Hmm, i don´t know powertab well so i don´t know if theres some built-in function to export to gif or jpg(?).

But this works with all programs:
1. Click on the window you want the image of, making it the frontmost window.
2. Hold down the 'Alt'-key while pressing the 'Print Screen' button in the upper right of the keyboard (sometimes it´s called PrntScrn or something to save space). Release the buttons. Now the frontmost window is in the system clipboard.
3. Start the Paint program, and choose Paste from the edit meny.
4. Save the image as a gif or jpg.

[neo shredder]

im starting to record with this quarts audio master what should i do with it to make it a mp3 that acually works ive got a mabel fabtal fabel excerpt that i want to convert what should i do

[Cuno]

I guess, choose 'Save As...' from the File-menu. Fiddle with the program, there should be at least a trial version of the mp3 encoder. Read more here (http://www.digitalsoundplanet.com/SoftwareHouse/Products/desc_/the_QA_tour/Sharing_your_work_with_QA/sharing_your_work_with_qa.html).

[neo shredder]

yeah man i want to get this mp3 thing going cause i want to submit a solo for that wanna jam thread

[neo shredder]

i cant put my mp3 it doesnt let me it freezes when it almost finishes

[neo shredder]

here

[Cuno]

Too bad.. Could be anything, you could always try to restart the computer. If that doesn´t help, you might need to use some other software - back to square one, save the file as a wav from Quartz and find some converter-tool that works to make a mp3 of it.

[EricV]

Also, remember that the file has to be less than 1 MB in order to be posted... bigger files cannot be attached...
Eric

[neo shredder]

i wanna keep this thread alive so if any one has cool and hard licks to play post em here

[Bizarro]

Here's one of the original tappers and 8-finger dudes from way back! Check out some of the old Autograph songs on the site, like "she never looked that good for me" I might take a few lessons from him one of these years.

Steve Lynch, GIT's student of the year and "most likely to succeed" in 1979!
http://www.stevelynch.info

Go to his scrapbook, then articles, and then click on the various articles he's written on shredding, tapping, etc!

[Bizarro]

Well, this isn't exactly extreme shredding, but it is a Bizarro-original! It's supposed to be played over G major.

The idea is to play mostly chord tones using the picking/pull-off pattern in the powertab file. I really like the way the notes flow when picked in this manner, and a lot of people use this type of stuff with pentatonics.

This exercise is a good way to learn where chord tones are located all over the neck. It also forces a lot of left hand position changes.

I don't have a set way of playing licks like this. It's just something I've added to my improv vocabulary over the past 20 years. It can be played very quickly without too much picking effort, which is a bonus!!;) It has some good applications if you want a fast and flashy run.

[neo shredder]

really cool lick kinda greg howe on the pepper shake. heres my lick a la' marty friedman its on a new song im starting to write

[EricV]

Originally posted by Bizarro
Steve Lynch, GIT's student of the year and "most likely to succeed" in 1979!



LOL, Steve Lynch... yars ago, I bought his video "The Two-Handed Guitarist". Some very cool stuff in there ( very similar to the "beyond Eddie"-style tapping stuff Dave Celentano used to write about in the early 80s )
One thing that bothered me about it is that, when he demonstrated his solo-piece "Hammerhead" ( a very cool little tapping solo ), he demonstrated it with a playback,... you can notice when it comes to the bends at the end... his hand-movement isn´t in synch with the sound. Odd.
Cool ideas on that vid, though. And I also remember that hit Autograph had... "Turn Up The Radio" :)
Eric

[EricV]

...oh, cool... you can listen to "Hammerhead" on that site, too.
Check out the articles in the "Scrapbook", there are some lessons, too
Eric

[neo shredder]

heres a song im also working on called shine. the story to this section came from a roland juno six keyboard. it has and arp switch that goes to three octives. so i set it to go to 3 octives and that it would go down and up. i held a pentatonic shape and made a note go down the scale giving a minor seventh chord, an augmented chord, a suspended chord and a dominant chord. i cant play this lick to speed but im not that far off to getting to this speed

[MatthiasB]

Here comes 2 Lick from me.
The 1. Lick is my own and 2. lick is from a guitar book. They aren't extrem shred licks but i think they sound cool.

Annotation: I can't play the licks in that tempo, but thats my aim.

[Thorsten]

Aloha!

Since this is a thread about shredding I thought it might be a good place to post a new song.:D

Hope ya dig it! I wrote and recorded this in one day...feedback welcome!

TK

Down To Earth (http://tk.lccy.net/mp3/Down_To_Earth.mp3)

P.S.: 10 points for who knows were I stole the melody in the verse from...:eek:

[szulc]

The single note line sounds kind of like Steve Perry's "Strungout".
But somehow I doubt that is what you were thinking. What did you sequence this with (Software)? and What is doing the Drums and Bass?
What type of Recorder did you use?
Some of your lead lines remind me of Jeff Watson from "Nightranger", and others remind me of Joey Tafola's "Infra Blue".
Your technique is awesome!
It is also cool to hear you play with your fingers on some parts of this!

How many tracks of guitar on this? It kind of reminds me of early Mike Varney stuff with so many tracks of guitar in harmony.
Nice hindu pentatonic licks (Minor pent with M3 replacing m3).

[snufeldin]

You are so awesome.

[Bizarro]

TK, you are a maniac! (I mean that in a good way:D )

I can hear Van Halen, Gilbert, and Vai influences in your style, but you've obviously developed your own unique style!

The beginning has a definite "Little Guitars" feel with the finger-picking. The melody in the verse is from a song I can't remember. It's definitely sung by a female band, maybe the Go-gos or Bangles... It's on the tip of my tongue and I can hear some of the lyrics in my head. It's going to drive me nuts until I figure it out!

Awesome work! Do you have any solo material out that we can buy?

[Bizarro]

TK, how about Kim Wilde singing "Kids in America"? It took awhile for my head to get to the lyrics in the chorus... and then a quick google search was all I needed!:D

[Thorsten]

Wow guys, thanks so much, what a great response!

I used a Dean Evo 60 guitar and a Dean Edge 4-string bass going into a Boss BR-8 digital eight track studio which is syncronized to a Boss DR-5 drum sequenzer and burning it all down via optical out on a Tascam-RW 700 CD recorder.

For guitar and bass I used the build in virtual amp section of the BR-8.

I think there were 2 tracks of rythm guitar, one for bass, 2 for the harmony leads and one for solo, so that makes, I guess, 6 tracks.

The great thing about midi-syncronizing the drums is, I don´t have to record them on two extra tracks and I can still edit them when mixing.

All the guitar players you mentioned have definitely been an inspiration although I have to say I know very little Nightranger Watson/Gillis stuff but I´m sure they´re great.

I have two CD´s out with the band DEMON DRIVE (http://www.demondrive.com) which is more AOR melodic rock and I think about releasing a solo album too. (when I find a good record label:rolleyes: )

Oh yeah and the 10 points go to Bizarro! I like pop!!!

:D

Again thanx a lot for the compliments, I love this forum!!!

TK

[Thorsten]

To stay true to this thread:

Here´s that long run I play in "Down To Earth".

Check it out!

[Cuno]

How come these forums come alive just after i log out and go home from work!? It´s not fair! Buhuu... ;)

But seriously, i learned one thing; whenever Thorsten submits someting, i´m on it! Great tune, ever so great playing. More!! please?

Great sound, btw. I love that dry 'stringy' sound that reveals all.

[snufeldin]

How about giving away some of those tasty blues/shred licks that you do. I absolutely love them. In fact I've already gone through some of your stuff trying to learn some of them. It's kind of hard when you're going so fast... and I don't have anything to slow it down. Anyway, how come you aren't praised as a guitar god all around the world?

[Thorsten]

Again THANX so much, guys!

Snufeldin, here´s one of those blues licks and to answer your question: I´m working on it!

All the best!

TK

[snufeldin]

Great lick Thorston. I'm trying to tell people about you here... although I live in a small town in Indiana so it won't do too much.

[neo shredder]

i got my one blues lick here that involves tapping. its a cool lick to close out a run or something

[neo shredder]

well ive been working on this jazzy like tune with really mellow seventh chords. this isnt exactly extreme shred but it goes to show that you can apply its technique on it. the first chorus is done by using sweep picking the second is done by using doing a little sweep done(arpagiate) and the rest is atlernate picking but let it ring. the progresions is Amaj7 Dmaj7 F#min7 and Bmin7



enjoy!!

[Thorsten]

Hey Neo...very cool blues lick and I really like that jazz piece. You put it right, goes to show that you can apply good technique anywhere not only for neo-classical.

Keep up the good work!

TK

[neo shredder]

test

Moderator-Note: Sorry, the attachement was deleted. It was stolen from another site, and neither written nor recorded by el guitaro / neo shredder. That´s unacceptable, and the attachement therefore was deleted.

[CaptainCarma]

Originally posted by snufeldin
Anyway, how come you (THORSTEN) aren't praised as a guitar god all around the world?


...I think it´s our job to spread the word about him...

[Cuno]

Is that you on the guitar in unison with the piano, neo? Totally too fast :)

[Bizarro]

Neo, that's an awfully impressive mp3! Is that you playing? Did you mute the strings at the first fret like you do when tapping?

How was it recorded?

[Bizarro]

On the subject of Thorsten... he's definitely the ibreathe guitar hero and we should do our best to spread the word.

TK, IMHO you've incorporated a lot of diverse influences (pop, funk, shredders, etc) in your style and it comes through as really tasty guitar playing and great music.

[szulc]

How about posting the tab to this?

[szulc]

If this is you and your composition I would like to know more about it and how it was executed.
What are the chord changes.
How did you sequence it and record it.
What was the actual fingering and picking for the arpeggios.

[Koala]

Amazing piece, if its really yours neo, i am in awe, and if youre really 15 and playing this, world watch out. Id love to see the tab, and please upload the string and the guitar parts apart so we can all humiliate ourselves trying to play along.

You can do that for us right?

[Koala]

Oh yeah TK? the run you uploaded, do you use your pinkie a lot or mainly 123? i absolutely love it

[neo shredder]

well to answer your questions this song was wrtitten using a power tab i just put down the chords shapes and then learn it, it helps a lot than just sitting there and thinking of anything out of the blue, yeah its a piano in back ground i actualy recordid this at a friends house since i couldnt get my recording thing working at my friends house theres also some strings in back ground that you can hear at the end, i dont know how they are played but i think they are just outlining the chord shape. ill post the tab later on the day i just got write again as my computer got fixed and all my files got deleted a couple of moths ago ill post it at night

[snufeldin]

neo,

all i heard was water running...

Just messing, pretty impressive.

[neo shredder]

well after working hard on my tab its finally done. i did not include the chord shapes but i am guessing you guys can figure them out. anywho here it is.

[Thorsten]

Hi guys!

Bizarro and Captain, thanx a lot for your nice words, really appreciate it!

Koala, also thanx a lot, I play it mainly 1-3-4, towards the end it´s 1-2-3, but feel free to use any fingering that´s comfortable for you.

Neo, just checked out your Mp3...great arpeggio thing there, very Jason Becker´ish! You´re really talented...good luck!

Best wishes
TK

[neo shredder]

ill try again but i swear that i added the tab in my post. this is the second no third time this has happend but ill give it another try.

[neo shredder]

again

[neo shredder]

this thing isnt taking my files what should i do!?

[szulc]

this is a test to see if I can post a .ptb file

[Bizarro]

1. Go to the attach file part when you're editing/writing your reply.
2. Click on "browse"
3. Select the file you want to send, hit "open"
4. Submit reply

The file must be under 1MB, but a powertab usually isn't that big.

[szulc]

test to see If I can post a .gif

[szulc]

It doesn't work for me either
I'll contact Guni

[Bizarro]

I hope ibreathe isn't out of room on the server! Do we need to start some donations or something? ;)

We have been posting more mp3's lately, which adds up quick. I'm trying to figure out how to use the 10MB of space my ISP "gives" me so I can post my bigger attachments there and then supply the link... sort of like what Eric and Thorsten have been doing. I just need to figure out which hoops they want me to jump through!:p

[szulc]

I am guessing this has more to do with the server upgrade this weekend.

[Guni]

Yo - sorry guys!!!

Damn - there's always something that gets overlooked - I hope this will be the only bug ;)

So, uploads should work again.

Guni

[neo shredder]

here it is again

[szulc]

Cool that you have posted this.
The tab doesn't show slides, pick stroke, so it is difficult to tell just how you executed the passages.

What kind of guitar is this recorded on (one with 24 frets?)
I am mostly interested in this as a composition.
I would like to know what inspired you to write this especially in this style.
I would also like to know what your writing process is like.
I like the chord changes to this and find it pleasing, and am impressed by the execution of it. But I am curious what made you decide to use the particular chord changes that it is using and what was the germinal idea that spawned this piece.

[neo shredder]

sorry about the tab not having any pull offs and stuff ill updated later today.

to answer your first question, i used a guitar with 24 frets, my guitar is a jackson with a h s s configuration.

for your second questions, when person begings to sweep he/she only sweeps basic triads(1 3 5) because they are the easiest form. all i did was take a Gmin arp and sweept it in two octives. then i used a gmaj arp in two octives. At the time i wrote this piece, iwas really into classical arps and i wanted to learn how to shift positions on the neck while staying on the same chord. i had a old version that sounded to much like canon in d. so instead of doing that maj maj min min maj maj progresion i added a les happier sounding progresion that involded many key changes and taking chords from differnt keys. just the intro itself shows what im talking about, like the gmin to the gmaj.

my writting process has changed since i written that piece. when i wrote songs that involved many arps i would sit down with my old roland juno 6 keyboard, hold a chord, hit the arp switch and move from chord to chord, then i would analyse it and arrange it for the guitar. just like my shine, the arp part i used the roland keyboard to write it. but nok that i know a little about music theory i can sit down start of with a little arp that isnt even two octives, maybe just a three string arp and take it from, i just use the chords in the key im playing in then i comepare it to its parrallel key, like D flat major to D major would be a good key change.

i only use hammer ons and pull offs on the turn around of an arp



-15p10-----------------------------------------10--e
----------11--------------------------------11-------b
--------------12------------------------12-----------g
------------------12---------------12----------------d
----------------------13p10-h13--------------------a
--------------------------------------------------------e

[szulc]

I tweaked your tab to show the chord progression and my interpretation of key changes.
It would be cool if you could re-work this to show hammers, pullls, slides and pick strokes.

Gm G :
Ebm B:
C# C#Dim7 G#
C# C#dim7
Bm B
Em E Em E Em
F# A C C#Dim7
Bm G Bm
(Descending Run in D major)
Cm Fm Cm Fm Cm Fm
(Descending chromatic run)
Fm

[Bizarro]

Neo, that tab (and song) is just evil! Way too fast!

I play all those same arpeggio shapes, but not that fast or clean. The chord and key changes are really interesting too.

[DanF]

Nicely done Neo. Also thank you szulc for tuning the sheetmusic up a bit so that it was more understandable.

-Dan

[neo shredder]

heres a new lick that i made. if you can spot out my influence in this lick you can tell its marty and jason and steve vai on shy boy

[forgottenking2]

I'm sorry to be the one having to expose this to the comunity but most (if not all) of Neo Shredder licks an recordings are a rip off from other sites. The "sweping song" was stolen from the Jonezter at www.guitartricks.com (I'm not trying to advertise that site I think IBM has a lot better learning resources <and I'm not kissing up either :p)... I hate to see someone take credit for what someone else wrote trying to help others... it totally disgusts me, it'd be kinda like if I took for instance Eric's articles (great stuff Eric, keep rocking!!) to another site and claim them to be my own... you just don't do that... weather you're great or you suck, be honest and write your own stuff or at the very least record it yourself!!!. Regards from a very mad guitarist.

The forgotten King
Guitar Player/Instructor

[Bizarro]

interesting development. I just searched on Google and swizzeep was a GuitarWar entry by the jonezter. The tab for it is there in text form...

[EricV]

http://www.guitartricks.com/2000/trick.php?trick_id=3847

[EricV]

OK.

An email was sent to neoshredder, and hopefully he´ll clear this up by posting something.

Let´s not go all crazy about this... if it indeed is a rip-off... well, it´s the internet after all, and it happens all day long ( remember the business about Abi v.R. at guitar.com ? )
Of course it is NOT right, so thanks to Luis, Bizarro and forgottenking2 for kinda clearing it up.
Let´s see whether neo replies, if he doesn´t, I guess we have just seen another web-hoax
Eric

[Cuno]

Bummer, i hate when this happens. You´re right Eric, let´s not get too excited.

[el guitaro]

what ya expect, this is the internet.
but who cares about that lets post more
licks

[forgottenking2]

Sure, just give credit to the people who actually deserves it; don't take it all for you.

[Bizarro]

I agree, give credit where credit is due.

On the flip side, I think we've all done or said things which, given another opportunity, we'd do differently.

I don't hold grudges, it's too time consuming and counterpruductive. Let's get back to playing guitar!:D

[forgottenking2]

ALright, how about some licks in some exotic scales... this for instance... kinda sloppy still but kinda getting there... check it out. (Don't be too harsh on me you can hurt my feelings :D)

[Bizarro]

Very strange lick! I've never heard such a thing before...

[forgottenking2]

It is weird.... and it doesn't quite fit a E minor (nor phrygian harmony)... I don't think I harmonized it right either... so when you play the ptb justignore (better delete) guitar 2 and just listen to the scale lick... maybe even come up with your own harmonization...

[Otto]

That sucks he was lying I mean I honestly thought "oh my god this kid's 15 and already insane." Didn't everyone else think whoa this kid's going to the top? On the other hand, was that neoshredder playing the song? Why lie about making that song when you can totally amaze by playing it flawless at that speed. If it was him playing he had no reason to lie. Just my two cents. Eric's right though I shouldn't be all surprised and acting like some person who's been violated. It's the internet, and you can make up any bs you please. If neoshredder did take that lick from someone else I'm sure we'll all let it go. He shouldn't feel ashamed and I'd like him to come back and keep posting those sweet, sweet, licks.


Of course there'd have to be some kind of punishment. In a matter like this I think we should use the rules Homer layed out when Bart got caught stealing.....
1)He's grounded, no leaving the house, not even for school
2)No egg nog, in fact, no nog period!
3)Finally, no stealing for at least 3 months

[Koala]

LOL I think most of us knew where this was headed, but this thread has had more drama than my life in the past couple years, so thanks neoshredder, and all ya guys for makin this fun.

SIncerely i dont think neoshredder will be posting under that name again, but heck we got some good licks and stuff out of all of this, I do think neos posts should be edited to credit the rightful owners, so neo even if you dont post please have the honesty to do that.

Anyway, IBM keeps rocking hard

and before i go.....

LUKE....I AM YOUR FATHER.... I MEANT NEO :)

[el guitaro]

wow i didnt think that people like my licks. but anywho, lick extremeshred 4 to the last pentatonic lick aint mine there lusi morenos, but all the rest exept for swizzep are el guitaro original. i recorded an mp3 of me sweeping but theres only one problem its 10 mb and its only 55 seconds long. beats me why its such a big file.

well im gonna post this stanley jordan sounding lick

[el guitaro]

around late january i was i the guitar center compitition, they gave me a back up track cd in were you are suppose to take it home and make up something to play along with it. at the time i was really bad with using all this shred stuff i knew and applying it to the track(im still bad at this) but im gonna post some of the good licks i made up for it.


this first one in g harmonic minor, now im not the biggest fan of the harmonic minor scale but it went really good with the song, at the time i was learning how to play greg howes "the pepper shake" and at the end of the second chorus he ended his run with a A harmonic minor scale run, so i took his motif and added to my playing so heres my harmonic minor lick

[el guitaro]

heres another lick, i combined both the new lick and the harmonic minor lick so you can hear both licks connected. this lick is in g minor, i use pentatonic shapes and a lil g minor seven arp

[EricV]

Originally posted by Koala
LOL I think most of us knew where this was headed, but this thread has had more drama than my life in the past couple years,

Koala, dude, you have to get out of the house more often j/k :)
Eric

[el guitaro]

im a big fan of dance music. for those who live in the states and for those who live in mexico know that women and teens love dance music(U.S teens love hip hop in mexico and other latin countries women and men love music with rythem) so for those who can reconize this lick you get ten points:D

[el guitaro]

well i guess no one knows but its michael jackson on his song i wanna rock with you cheers

[Bizarro]

El guitaro, it would help greatly if you used sentences and paragraphs! ;) It is very difficult to understand your posts.

[Bizarro]

Thorsten, we need another song (or two)!

I burned a disc with Down to Earth and some of Snufeldin's tunes on there for driving to work.

I need some more! Down to Earth is great when it's REALLY loud in my car and I'm zipping down the freeway!

:cool:

[snufeldin]

I'm so honored..... and I truly mean it. I'm so glad you liked at least one of them. It makes me feel good... which is a good way to feel.

And I agree, thorsten post some more.

[Thorsten]

I feel very honored too, thanx a lot guys!

O.k. so here´s something I recorded last year. Hope you´ll like that one too.

Flying High (http://tk.lccy.net/mp3/Flying_High.mp3)

Oh, yeah and snuf, I would really like to hear more of your songs as well !!!

TK

[snufeldin]

My band and I are going to record some more stuff soon. I've been writing quite a bit... I'm pretty happy with how the songs are turning out. All of them are more lyric/singing oriented.... but still have some cool guitar stuff in the background.

Thorsten, once again I bow down, and will search through this learning the licks. Maybe you could post some more of those blues licks...

By the way we should feel honored that you participate here at ibreathe.

[Bizarro]

Thorsten, that's another great tune. Absolutely insane guitar playing! ;) I don't know how you do it, but keep it coming!

How do you typically decide how to harmonize those licks? What type of pick do you use? Do you think that's a key part of your picking sound or does it not matter so much?

Very cool stuff!

Snufeldin, I can't wait to hear more of your music. :p

[Bongo Boy]

Originally posted by Thorsten
O.k. so here´s something I recorded last year. Hope you´ll like that one too. I just don't get how this can be done. Anyway, very, very nice indeed.

BTW, my name is Malcolm, and I'd like to be your North American agent. :D

[Thorsten]

Again, THANX so much guys!

As far as harmonizing I totally go by ear. I just try different ways and take the one that, to me, sounds best. Of course you can take the theoretical approach to harmonizing but in the end you should always let your ears be the judge.

My pick is a Dunlop Jumbo Jazz 3 (the black ones). You could also take a normal Dunlop Tortex and file it to a pointy tip but I found that the Jumbo Jazz 3´s are a little more durable.

I just pick really hard to get an aggressive tone. I think the trick is to be able to keep your hand relaxed while picking hard.

BTW are you familiar with my little low-tech web-site? There´s more songs to download...
www.thorstenkoehne.com (http://www.thorstenkoehne.com)

TK

P.S. Bongo, I come back on that agent thing...;)

[el guitaro]

wow thats pretty scary cuase thats what i do. i dont harmonize a lot but when i do i go by ear cuase me theory knowdlege isnt that good. i also use the little black jazz 3 pick, its so easy to pick with. i too pick hard because i heard paul did it, and because its makes all of your mistakes come out

[Bizarro]

Thorsten, I've been to your "low-tech" website and downloaded everything I could find already... It's all good!

You really need to get a solo album out there! Your music is incredible. It just blows me away every time I listen to Down to Earth! I'm always playing "air guitar" on the steering wheel in my car to that song!;)

I'm at a point musically where I can figure out stuff like Down to Earth fairly quickly, and I can usually visualize what you're playing (in terms of how I'd play it). It helps that you play so cleanly so I can hear every note!:D I just wish I could make the leap from my present ability to somewhere closer to yours! It probably won't ever happen, but I'll keep trying! I don't understand how you keep coming up with those cool melodies, rhythms, and licks.

It's very inspirational!

[el guitaro]

yeah. i think i speak for everyone that we love your songs and you have enough material to release a solo album. the song "shred it" is just amazing.

[Thorsten]

Wow, you guys make me blush! Can´t thank you enough!

Well, writing songs is a weird process. There´s no formula on how to write a song. Sometimes after noodeling around for a while it´s just a riff or melody that stays in my mind and if I still like the idea the next morning I start building on that. Basically I want something that exactly reflects my feelings.

I think my songwriting really matured during the last couple of years. The early stuff very often really was just a licks showdown but after I joined this pop band (Demon Drive) I got my mind geared more towards strong melodys and songs. Our singer (who´s a brilliant songwriter) always used to tell me "We all know you can shred, I want you to write HITS!"

That´s the way I think about it now, to have a strong melody or hookline first. You can always throw in that sweeping arpeggio or complicated break but the main thing is: You wanna have a strong hookline.( at least for pop music)

The stuff I´m posting ( since I know there´s a lot of shredheadz here) isn´t representative to the majority of songs I´m writing today which is more vocal orientated pop/rock songs ( ask Eric, he´s got a bunch of ´em) but I like to "shred metal" every once in a while just for fun and it´s great to get such a positive feedback from you guys!

Regarding a solo-album: I´ve got tons of material at home that I would really like to release on day. At the moment I´m working on finding a good record label who would take the risk to release it since the world definitely isn´t waiting for another shred album. So if I would do it, it would be half instrumental guitar stuff and half vocal stuff to keep it interesting for the general listener.

Thanks again!

TK

[forgottenking2]

Hey I'm kind of late to this thread but I HAVE to tell you, your stuff is really good. You're not just shredding away, but your melodies are really good. (I can hear your root influences :D Celtic!!!!! ) Really good stuff, this site has atracted real talented musicians! Your technique is quite impressive too, keep rocking!

[el guitaro]

TK i agree with your perspective on writting music. The main problem for a shredder to write a song is that he always trys to showcase his playing in the song. I always find my self playing a riff and then all of the sudden i throw a bend followed by a artificial harmonic with really wide vibrato, and im trying to get away from that. ever since i started to listen to jazz ive liked stuff thats rich in melody and harmony. Since i like heavy metal(not todays but the songs from the past) i really dont see a future in it.


my dad all the time is telling me to listen to the radio, hear whats on the radio stations, listen to different music stations, then sit down and write songs like those on the radio, what ever sells, unless you have a original musical idea write music thats famous.

the way i see things is that, the easier the music gets, the more the people like. look at rap, that ****s just a simple midi sample with a drum machine and bass. i mean that crap just keeps looping and looping over and over again. and guys like p. didy are getting millions out of a simple simple idea.

here you got guitar players who can shred like hell, but there stuff doesnt get air play. jason becker was a guitar god at 17 but no one seemed to like it, his music was to complicated for normal peoples ears. i play for my mom once in a while but i can tell she doesnt care that much for the type of music i play.

i know my self as much as many other people wanna be rich of music, and that wont happen if you play death metal, 80s metal or shred metal. As i go to high school every day i see what kids my age like. they like their eminems, their 50 cents, and their nellys. i cant say i dont like thier music, but i find it catchy as hell and i also hear it on my spare time. all the kids like hip hop and things you can dance to.

My plan is too write songs with like earth wind and fire, the neptunes(todays best producers, they made ludacris famous and pratically all the new hip hop artists stars) the neptunes are two guys who i think make the best hip hop music today. not only that farrel williams of the neptunes has his own song that sounds like a jazzy song in the format of a hip hop song(looping) my plan is to buy a guitar synth and write some catchy samples on guitar. make songs that sound like earth wind and fire, old michael jackson, things like latin rythem cuase carlos got famous of that.

[el guitaro]

mp3

[Thorsten]

Yo Adrian! Checked out your Mp3´s. You really remind me of Michael Angelo. Very cool playing for someone at that young age! I know I definitely wasn´t that good at 15. Keep it up!

I also share your views on the music scene today but I think it isn´t all crap what we hear on MTV, it´s just different. I have the highest respect for people like Britney or Christina Aguilera cause it takes a lot of strength, determination and discipline to make it these days in the music business. They all can dance and sing very well and just because they don´t write their own music doesn´t mean they`re bad performers. I think it all just goes down to what you personaly like. We guitar-type people prefer Rock, 15 year old girls prefer Justin Timberlake. It´s as simple as that!

Shred on!

TK

[el guitaro]

i didnt mean crap, its just hard working guitarist as my self who practise almost all day(except for school hours of course) and all summer, not go anywere. britney and chrstina are good singers and all but if you look at it they practice the same thing over and over and over, just pop. average people dont uderstand shred. they understand pop like britney ( and her body:) ) its funny how the simple things in work bring in more money. in hard labor, the people that work in the fields, the guys who dig those wholes to build stuff work their a$$es of. while the guy who just points his finger and says, that whole needs be bigger, that needs to be more shallow. its amazing that guy that just points his finger makes more money. now going back to music, people or pop stars that come in packges(producers that make their music) have it easy, easy music, they dont dance on their on, they have people teach them, people write their music, their just spoiled. its people like metallica and aerosmith and carlos santana that make it on their on, they write music good things that last and that people still like to this day. its not that i prefer rock music, its just that its true. dont get me wrong i like some of these songs, its just the only way to make it as a band. either you have a original musical idea thats fresh and that people like, or you just jump on the band wagon, make at least 4 million or even 2 million off tours and record sales, youl be set for life then on your next album or third you go your own way on writting music. you cant expect to be the next metallica or a band that make music history. it sounds like being a sell out but in the end your rich, if you take care of your money that is. but hey your rich from there you can buy your gear and be a studio musician. life is easy to get rich its so easy, you just gotta find the way life works, think hard. look at all these rap stars, half or even 80% cant rap, they just yell and act like they can rap by talking about cars they rent, girls, and clothes. but hey its so easy just work hard think and see what sells. its selling out but hey you wanna have money or what?

[el guitaro]

its funny cuase i knew people would say i sound like michael. it surprises me too cuase i never heard the guy before and i sounded like him, it is a small world after all! im gonna keep posting a lot of mp3s. right now my family is asleep and and i cant make noise. im using a mic, wel actually a headphone with a mic, i couldnt find my adapter to hook up my guitar to the sound card. so i use my amp. tommorow when the sun comes out(its 1:46 am right now) thanks dan f for that post it really really helped. i havent been able to play lately cuase i had to carry a lot of water gallons(like 5 gallons each) so my right hand is sore so it herts when i try to play fast picking. i hope ill be better tommorow.

[el guitaro]

well its 2:16 am and im playing with a clean tone nasty sounding humbuker at the bridge position. the single coils dont work on my jackson. so here are some touch tap licks and clean tone licks i suggest you turn your volume up cause some are low

[el guitaro]

:D

[el guitaro]

:)

[el guitaro]

:p

[The Bash]

There's a fine line between eating and selling out.

Besides if your doing what it is u really wanna do, I'd hardly call it selling out.
If your doing what it is u do in order to put food in your mouth
I'd call it a job.

Don't fool yourself those bubble gum bands work every bit as hard (if not harder) than most (when's the lasty time the average persons hadda set aside video shoot time, photo shoot time, public meet and greets, dance lessons, work out etc.)
Not only do they have to work very hard at what they do (cause it's very competive market), there confronted by a whole host of other crap.

Besides the average person dosen't consider playing guitar work, they view it as goofing off :)
Yep, sad but true, they think ya just pop into the world wailing and thus never have to deal with the everyday ways of life.
U get paid to just goof off.

[Bizarro]

el guitar, I think your rant shows your age very well! ;)

Most of us played guitar all day, every day, for far more than the 2 or 3 years you've been playing. You are just starting out. I had a string of about 7 years where I did it. I think you have a long ways to go before you've "paid any dues". It takes more than a couple of summers...

Every successful performer works their tail off. It might be in different ways than a shredder though. Britney or whomever has to be in top physical shape, has to train for dancing and choreography, plus has to sing, not to mention all the publicity stuff. Plus people like Britney have been in entertainment since childhood, pre-10 years old. That's definitely "paying your dues" in my book.

I think you'll find as you get older and more experienced in the real world that the more physical labor you do (dig holes for example) the less you get paid. Most physical labor jobs have very little responsibility and/or technical requirements. It's a trade off, usually for stress!

Lastly, you should look at the liner notes for a Santana or Aerosmith record! They hardly write any of their material alone! They usually get professional songwriters or other musicians to "help" them create the music.

[Bizarro]

Adrian, that classical lick is really cool.

[el guitaro]

heres some dist licks

[el guitaro]

its true, most people play way more than two years its just that i sacrafice a lot of things to this, i dont go out, i always refuse to go out on friday nights. its like im loosing out on my teenage years. but for me, going out and doing other stuff thats not playing guitar will not benifit me.

sure she has to be in shape, but anyone women that has a nice body works out now and days. publicity aint nothin big, its just the price you have to pay for being famous and rich, its not all heaven, nothings perfect in life.
digging wholes and construction laborors have a lot of resposability, if a measurement aint right its back to square one. being the guy who works hard labor, is just as important as the guy who points his finger. with out the workers there aint no job. people say doctors should make more money than people who work in the fields or construction workers, thats all bull, without constructors were will that doctor live, who will lay his carpet/hardwood floor? its all the same just cuase he went to shool for seven years, in this world we live in that means a lot but for me its all bull. the worker works just as hard as the doctor. just cuase the doctor saves peoples lives hes more important? i didnt invent this system, this whole systems about compition, and rich people dont want to get rid of it, why not just cuase they feel more superior than those who live in apartments, what makes them more different/special than me or anybody else.

its stupid how people like britney or any or other pop star make as much money as they make. its all relavent. hard labor and pop stars and good guitar players are all tied together. if you compare things in life you see how all the things are the same.

[Bizarro]

The responsibility and pressure/stress steadily rise as you climb up the food chain. You also get more money. In general responsibility = money. I've been in both positions and it takes more than just pointing a finger! It's a different kind of work, less physical and more mental.

Someday you'll get some job experience and understand how it all works.

If an artist sells 10 million CDs, should they get rich off of it? The record companies get most of the profit, not the artist. How much work do they do?

You should not sacrifice your education for guitar playing! Get the most out of school so you'll be better equipped to learn and understand more advanced musical concepts. Music theory is very mathematical in nature, so that's one area to focus on. Your guitar playing will benefit from it!

[el guitaro]

well i wanna gt back to the real thing of this threa so heres a new lick a la jason becker

[el guitaro]

heres the audio

[el guitaro]

heres a chord proression

[el guitaro]

oops here it is

[szulc]

Neo/EL,
You need to get out and get your heart broken a few times.
No amount of studying technique will get you where you want to go. You need to have emotion and feel emotion to play with emotion. You need to want to play with feel and listen to what feel really is. Michael Angelo is not the best example of this. Listen to music that moves you emotionally and makes you laugh or cry, not just be astounded by a display of technique. Technique is a tool that allows you more freedom in your musical expression, a means to an end not the end itself.
Most people in the world cannot even begin to appreciate the level of technique that someone like TK has achieved. Like I have stated before, most people would rather listen to George Thoroughgood than Greg Howe. Not because he has feel cause in his case I am certain Greg has more, but because he plays music people understand. Most people would rather hear SRV than Greg Howe because they understand the simple music and get the feel factor, once again not because Greg has less feel, because they understand it.
Most people would rather listen to anyone rather than Michael Angelo, because he has nothing to offer them , no pretty melodies the can sing or whistle and not much in the feel department. They are not interested in how fast he can alternate pick mindless whole tone scales, or other esoteric exercises.

[el guitaro]

i think you guys must have mis understud what i was trying to say, as it is hard to post all the toughts that come to my head in words. i complety agree, technical studies is just one thing that makes guitar hard to play. its not the only thing i achive for, song writting is another aspect that makes guitar playing hard. i agree also that michael angelo isnt the best example. i always listen to music that moves me like queen, stanley jordan, spiro gira, that type of music is so great that i cant belive that people wrote it.
when i want to listen to people like greg howe is cuase i want listen to something challenging. when i sit down and listen to people like jim hall its because i want to be musically inspired. i really like tk becuase he can drop the fact hes a shredder and write songs that dont show case his ability whci is really hard to and is another hard ability to achive.

[Bizarro]

el guitaro, you need a new amp! The tone in those licks is really "solid state" sounding. Too many highs and no mids... sort of harsh.

There's no way you could hear that over a drummer and bass player. Cymbals and hi-hat would eat up all the high frequencies and the bass would hog the low end. Guitars should be rich in mid-tones or no one will hear you! The scooped mids are ok for rhythm, but not for lead work, IMHO...

In the meantime you should back off the distortion quite a bit and add some mids to thicken it up. It'll help get rid of the weird noises in the octave tapping lick.

That octave lick can be heard, in a slightly different form, on some White Lion and Extreme tunes.

[el guitaro]

i now everyone would love a new amp, but im still not eligible to work. maybe next year ill save my pennies and buy at least a nice amp. yeah that amp i have says solid state on it, in clear bold letters. the inside of the amp has a little speaker, just as big as the one found in a car, the circuit board is a big as a cell phone. its good for practice but not good for recording i guess. it atually sounds alright when im in another room, its not as bad. the octive tapping lick sounds more clear cuase i turned the distortion knob all the way down, that pedal has a lot of dist.

all it takes is time to get things you want

[TheJonezter]

interesting development. I just searched on Google and swizzeep was a GuitarWar entry by the jonezter. The tab for it is there in text form...
Something I should know about?

[Bizarro]

Jonezter, about a year or two ago a kid tried to take credit for some of your amazing guitar work. If I remember correctly, there was a message sent to GuitarWar or maybe your website about it, and the offending person was banned from ibreathemusic for life. He went under the monikers "neoshredder" and then "el guitaro".

[TheJonezter]

ahhh yes...think I remember that. Oh well, guess I should be flattered that someone would want to be me...or frightened for the person...it's a scary life being me! lol

I don't see banning the person for life as being appropriate tho. Seems maybe a week or two would suffice...but I don't hang here nor do I know the person in question, so who am I to say.

Kewl site peeps! I enjoyed browsing around:D
KC (TheJonezter)

[curiousgeorge]

Check out my spacey riff! I'll try and do something a bit longer when I get some time...:)