Hello everyone

[lydiandreams]

I have been hanging out at this site for about 6 months, and have finally decided to join. Here is a little info about me,


I am a 21 year old college student living in the magical land of Ohio. I have been playing guitar since I was about 16. My super-duper main influence is Vinnie Moore. I have some good chops but I am still blown away at how Vinman can play fast and yet not lose any emotion.
My musical education really started when I took two years of classical lessons from Lou Petric. After that I moved on to study with Dave Rudolph, who is probably the best player I have ever seen in my life. Right now I am a student of an awesome guitarist from Cleveland named Neil Zaza which is pretty exciting considering I am a fan of his music.


Well since this is Practice and Performance, I guess I should trouble you with a question. I am having a hard time learning Vinnie's fast parts by ear. I have used the program Transkriber to slow it down, but it then becomes a bunch of noise. I really want to learn all of his stuff note-for-note and I am getting very frustrated.




Well, thank you everyone for your time. Cheers!!


Rob.

[flathead]

You take lessons from Neil Zaza!!!!!:) :) :) :) :)
That guy is great. About 10-12 years ago he did a guitar clinic up in Michigan that I went to. Been a fan ever since. I still have his CD 'two hands one heart" that he signed. He seems like a cool dude. I absolutely LOVE his rendition of 'Purple Rain.' One of my all time favorite songs.

[lydiandreams]

Flathead,


It's very cool to see that you like his music. My first lesson with him, I made him sign Staring at the Sun for me. He is a great player, and a very nice person. I'm honored to be learning from him.

[Bongo Boy]

Interesting! Guni had at one time tried to put together an online 'mixer' with Neil a couple of years ago--where folks here could have a dialog with and about him. Didn't work out, unfortunately.

[Anubis]

Welcome lydiandreams. This is the best guitar forum on the net.
If someone knows a better plays then show me the site because I am sure it doesn't exist since I have seen most forums on the net and this one rocks :)

Vinnie Moore has always been one of my favorite guitar players.
It will take time to learn his stuff but you will get there.
Just keep practicing.

Neil Zaza is good to. I have some of his albums.

[metaljustice83]

WELCOME!!!! thats always cool to know someone who knows someone kinda thing heh heh

[Koala]

Welcome to IBM Lydian!


Originally posted by Bongo Boy
Interesting! Guni had at one time tried to put together an online 'mixer' with Neil a couple of years ago--where folks here could have a dialog with and about him. Didn't work out, unfortunately.


Bongo, I didnt get to see this, so could you please expand? I dont get it.

[forgottenking2]

Welcome Lydiandreams... kinda funny that you picked those two words for your nickname, when I hear Lydian, the first thing that comes to my mind is Flying in a Blue Dream by Satch... :) anyways, wlecome and enjoy your stay

Regards,

[lydiandreams]

Wow!! Thank you so much for the warm welcome everybody.

[demo dick]

Originally posted by lydiandreams
I After that I moved on to study with Dave Rudolph, who is probably the best player I have ever seen in my life.

Nice to hear someone say that about Dave.

I took lessons from Dave for about 4 years. I started with him right off the bat. I only wish I was more serious about my playing back then when I had access to him.

When people ask me who I think the best guitar player in the world is. I still save Dave Rudolph.:D

Do you possibily know how to get a hold of Dave anymore?

If you do shoot me an email ron@r2w.net

[Bizarro]

Welcome! :)

As for learning the fast licks... One thing that helps me is to hum/sing along with the fast parts while I'm in the car (or not playing guitar). My voice is much better at imitating that my fingers. After doing that for awhile I try figure out some of the parts I was singing on the guitar, but not listening to the song at the same time! I'll get a few things which sound close, then put them in powertab and listen closely. Then I compare it to the original and edit like crazy! :)

Maybe jov has some ideas? He can actually figure out TK's stuff by ear, even the wicked-fast parts!

BTW, if you haven't gone to Thorsten's website yet and listened to his tunes, you should! (Thorsten = TK) You can find the link on his member profile.

[Bongo Boy]

Originally posted by Koala
Bongo, I didnt get to see this, so could you please expand? I dont get it. At one time we had a forum...can't recall the name of it but it was something like "ask the experts" or "schmooz with the artist guy" or "rub elbows with the rock star" or something like that. The idea was to feature an artist from time to time, and allow iBreathe members to ask the artist questions about his/her existence as a music professional. I'm pretty sure Neil was the first (and last) featured dude. It just didn't work out for various reasons and was dropped from site. Perhaps some of the more delicate circuits became shorted-out from exposure to too much stardust.

[jov]

Hi!

I have transcribed lots of stuff using SoundForge audio software. It can't do real time slowdown but it isn't too much work to make .wav file of the song you are working with.

When slowing down the important thing is not to slow too much because after that it goes unclear (as said before).. I have found out that slowing 20..30% is maximum that I can slow down and still have reasonably clear result.. of course the algorithm used has lot to do with this.. and I guess if using the traditional method that zeppenwolf suggested (lower the pitch also) you can get better results.

Things like how well you know guitar and the particular style in question are of course important when trying to figure positions and fingerings ( you have to know what is possible or common and what isn't).. and of course many artist have unique style that is recognisable when you get to know their style. Watching videos from the artist you are transcribing, even if it isn't the song you are working on, is probably the best method to get accurate results but that is unfortunately not always possible..

regards
Jov

[hol0point]

Welcome Lydian! Believe the hype. This Is the best guitar forum on the net :).

[Guitarperson88]

I can just say i'm the student of a student of Joe Schillinger.

[Spin 2513]

Originally posted by lydiandreams
I Well since this is Practice and Performance, I guess I should trouble you with a question. I am having a hard time learning Vinnie's fast parts by ear. I have used the program Transkriber to slow it down, but it then becomes a bunch of noise. I really want to learn all of his stuff note-for-note and I am getting very frustrated.
Well, thank you . Cheers!!
Rob.

Hey man , i have just the website for you.

It has all of Vinny's stuff in Power Tab

Music Works (http://www.geocities.com/winkken/Musicworks.html)

Hope you like it.