Japanese shredding!

[JeffN]

A guy from a different forum I frequent to posted these videos. Pretty cool!

http://download.topguitar.cn/040430GuoWai/yg01.wmv http://download.topguitar.cn/040430GuoWai/yg02.wmv http://download.topguitar.cn/040430GuoWai/yg03.wmv http://download.topguitar.cn/040430GuoWai/yg04.wmv http://download.topguitar.cn/040430GuoWai/yg05.wmv http://download.topguitar.cn/040430GuoWai/yg06.wmv http://download.topguitar.cn/040430GuoWai/yg07.wmv

[DepressedNazgul]

Very impressing, but... it's so damn boring. They play on 2 alternating scales for 3 minutes, and after 30 seconds they start repeating themselves...

[JeffN]

Very impressing, but... it's so damn boring. They play on 2 alternating scales for 3 minutes, and after 30 seconds they start repeating themselves...
yeah, all of them are all ove the same backing track too :D

The last two clips are kind of like the Asian version of G3.

[GibsonLesPaul]

True,


Boring, but his hands are quick.

Hi I'm new here!!!!

[JeffN]

True,


Boring, but his hands are quick.

Hi I'm new here!!!!
Hey, welcome to the forums man!

[Spekko]

The last two were kinda like G3. The guy with the strat (and I assume he was the one with the Marshall as well. If not, well, go along with it for the theme) can be Yngwie. And the one with the H/S/H guitar can be Vai, and the one in the middle with the crazy tapping can be Satriani. Or something.

Good movies though. It's always cool to watch really good guitarists if for no other reason than to see how relaxed they look. So very fluid. Evil people, making that look so easy.

[LarryJ]

I dont know, i watched the first video so far, and I didn't find it all that boring...

[LarryJ]

oh, and perhaps you guys missed it...but the one in the middle in red with the explorer is a girl!

[JeffN]

oh, and perhaps you guys missed it...but the one in the middle in red with the explorer is a girl!
I know!

Personally, I don't find this kind of stuff boring either, but after a while, it really gets to you, since they're playing over the same backing track. I'm guessing this is footage froma concert or something.

[Guitarperson88]

I find all out shredding to be boring. I mean, at least Vibrato and put some damn melodicy and emotion into it. There is this neo-shred freak (no offense to anyone) at my school, all he does is SHRED. He doesnt even vibrato, no emotion, he's like a robot. I went up in a shred challenge agaisnt him, He just won because of flash, I was accually vibratoing, being melodic, and putting emotion, I went as fast as i could, but i would stop occasionally and be melodic. Yea, I watched the neo-shred guy play, i literally started to fall asleep. Well thats enough.

[RandyEllefson]

It does get boring the more you listen, but at first it is a bit interesting. It just wears off...:) The last clip I thought was better, but I watched that first....

Looks like a school of some kind. No wonder guitar players are loved over there!

[JeffN]

I find all out shredding to be boring. I mean, at least Vibrato and put some damn melodicy and emotion into it. There is this neo-shred freak (no offense to anyone) at my school, all he does is SHRED. He doesnt even vibrato, no emotion, he's like a robot. I went up in a shred challenge agaisnt him, He just won because of flash, I was accually vibratoing, being melodic, and putting emotion, I went as fast as i could, but i would stop occasionally and be melodic. Yea, I watched the neo-shred guy play, i literally started to fall asleep. Well thats enough.
I don't understand this no speed=no feeling thing. How exactly can you tell if a piece of music has emotion or not? Would you accuse John Coltrane for playing too fast and emotionless? A lot of Jazz guitarists rarely used vibrato. Can you say that they play with no feel?

On the other hand though, a lot of the stuff they played did sound a bit cliche.

[Koala]

I don't understand this no speed=no feeling thing. How exactly can you tell if a piece of music has emotion or not? Would you accuse John Coltrane for playing too fast and emotionless? A lot of Jazz guitarists rarely used vibrato. Can you say that they play with no feel?


Oh no, please Jeff and guitarperson88 ,lets not go there. No shred vs. emotion discussion will ever reach a point. And there really is no direct connection between the two. You can shred with feel and play slow without it. Emotion has nothing to do with speed. Please, lets not start up again.

About the videos, its always fun for me to see guys (and gals, thanks for the tip Jeff) playing technicals tuff like that. I wouldnt wanna watch 5 hours of it, but a few clips are defiitely fun to watch.

[LarryJ]

Its not so much about playing with emotion, as it is playing something meaningful/interesting; after all whats emotional to one person is not to another, music just hits people differently. Ripping through scalular runs should be like filler, not most of the solo. That pretty much sums it up!

[Guitarperson88]

JeffN, let me explain. When i mean all out shredding, dang, it's hard to explain, i mean just someone playing fast all the time. John Coltrain slowed it down a bit even at times. I'm not saying i hate speed,hell, it like, just you cant shred or play fast to everything and not take some time, it would sound like crap, if you started playing like 32nd note runs over a slow song, it would sound like crap. Eh, I dont want to go to indepth, I'll just type this huge post that will take days to read, but i hope your undertsanding where i'm coming from man. I understand where your coming from though. I'm looking for the word, hm, ok, It's like going fast with no soul. That's what the neo-shred guy was like, he had no soul, he was robot. John Coltrain HAS soul, and a hell of a lot of it. I think that's what i've been meaning to say.

[JeffN]

Guitarperson88, I understand where you're comming from. I guess there are people who memorize patterns over and over again and just play it fast. Koala's right though, we could write essays about this topic it wouldn't end. It's cool. :cool: Sorry if I sounded a bit edgy, I guess I wasn't in that good of a mood last night. ;)

[Guitarperson88]

It's cool man.

[GuitarLausing]

that guy from clip#1 has a disgusting shirt.... --damn!!

but i don't really like it. Hes just some guy that studied technique ONLY. I don't think he has his own sound.


and clip # 6: the guy with the red strat is clearly the sickest. But when he played the slow part, it just sucked. My ears bled. But the girl did some insane tapping. But when she didn't, she sucked. And the last part, where they all play... Argh! Trauma...

This is not music. This is just... a guitar race. It's like "who can play fastest?"
That's not cool. That just sucks

[ironickel]

hi guys I'm new here.

i think the players are actually improvising...sounds reallly cool to me.

and btw those vids are from a Chinese website.

[ironickel]

now that i've seen the last 2 clips...the guy with the red strat in clip #6 is actually a 20 yo student from the Japanese MI. i believe the rest are too.

the one with the explorer is a MALE :eek: look carefully..

i think the girl in clip #4 sounded cool. and she's quite a babe too

as for the last 2 clips i agree its a guitar race

but those players are totally sick

[snufeldin]

I don't think boring is correct... I think it's just all very unexciting. As far as being repetitive: If I were soloing over that backing track I'd probably get bored and start playing cheese like they do too.

Someone said that one of the people didn't have their own sound... they all don't have their own sound. What they're doing has been done a thousand times before. And frankly it's been done a lot better.

But we might be overly critical because this could very well be them just screwing around. I find it entertaining to kick on the obnoxious distortion and play as fast as I can every once in a while.

So the 3rd guitarist... it sounded majorly out of tune to me.

[Axe-aholic]

I only listened to track number 4, and it sounded good to me. I mean, it wasn't terrific..but it certianly wasn't unmelodic or 'mindless shredding' (actually there was no shredding)

Maybe I just downloaded one of the better ones? I think she played well...Am I missing something? :confused:

[ironickel]

yep that's definitely my favourite. n she's hot

[GibsonLesPaul]

[QUOTE=snufeldin]I don't think boring is correct... I think it's just all very unexciting. As far as being repetitive: If I were soloing over that backing track I'd probably get bored and start playing cheese like they do too.
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I once had a cheese solo experience. My very first year doing solos. I auditioned for this Band. Little did I know it was a Funk/Jazz Band. The band played and I solo'd. My Runs were so repetative back then....Most embarrassing for me.....cheeeeese

[SeattleRuss]

Here's my take on this:

First of all, wondering....Are these Japanese Shredders? I didn't watch them all but I see it came from a Chinese website...I noticed that in my Windows Media Player, I kept seeing "Young Guitar" scroll by, which is a Japanese publication, but everything was written in chinese....

I don't understand this no speed=no feeling thing. How exactly can you tell if a piece of music has emotion or not? Would you accuse John Coltrane for playing too fast and emotionless? A lot of Jazz guitarists rarely used vibrato. Can you say that they play with no feel?

This is touchy. I wouldn't make any blanket statements about all "shredding" (there can be moments or merely seconds of shredding in a solo) but after watching some of these, I'm not really hearing any phrasing. Coltrane was mentioned as a jazzer who sometimes played fast. If you exclude tunes like "Giant Steps" and "Countdown", which were actually tunes written expressly to practice over, most of the time, when he was playing fast, it was in shorter bursts, but he utilized space *a lot*. Did any of these players in the videos do that? Even a little bit?
You can make parallels with speech. Some shredding, to me, is like someone talking without any pauses or writing without use of any punctuation. The emphasis is usually on "look how fast my fingers can go" - prioritized way before any other aspect of the music.

But, having said all that, it's obviously enjoyable sometimes, to listen to / play all-out shredd, and to compare it to anything else is pointless sometimes.
My motto is: it's pretty much all good, as long as someone likes it!

Russ
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