Simplicity the way to go?

[kirk_wannabe]

Hey all...

I was thinking....the bands that are around today, musically wise, are nothing special. I mean the talent involved. The stuff you hear on the radio.
Never again will you see another Vai, ( except perhaps EricV )
I mean, great guitarists are out there, many of which are on this site, however, commerically speaking, the bands that 'make it' just don't do it to me.
I don't mean to offend, but bands like hoobastank, linkin park, jet etc, are nothing like the bands that were around 10 years ago. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind these bands, and quiete like a number of their songs. However I'm just saying, the talent is diminishing.
Perhaps they do have the talent, however only choose to produce what will be liked. I dunno.
Is simplicity the way to go these days?

[MSH1601]

Right there with you.
And I have a feeling the blame might be placed in the Nirvana direction!

[Axe-aholic]

It's because mainstream music is viewed almost solely as 'entertainment' by the corportate dudes. So it's much more important that those who 'make it' are entertainers and not necessarily musicians. I think many of them of have talent, but that's not whats important anymore :(

There's still a lot of crazy good guitarists out there, tho...just look at www.guitar9.com

Is simplicity the way to go these days?

It's not about simplicity. Simplicity is fine (although you shouldn't limit yourself to always being simplistic, imo) What the problem is, imo, is that these bands are just following a trend (or setting one) and trying to sell as opposed to expressing themselves and making beautiful music and it shows.

[RandyEllefson]

I think a new wave tends to happen in 3 phrases:

1. The original people have some vision and get it off the ground. This is only a handful of bands.

2. Within 2 years, other people quickly form similar bands and put out albums. Many of these groups are pretty good but are imitating something. Many of them suck.

3. Copycat City. A huge number of imitators shows up, putting out cliched stuff. All bands sound the same. They are one-hit wonders. People get really sick of the whole thing. Time for change.

It happened in the 80s, which is why Nirvana blasted everyone away. It's happened again. Need something new, but ClearChannel makes it worse because they're a monopoly trying to keep the statis quo.

I have to say, people constantly complain about the radio, but I just put out an album of instrumental guitar and have already been told, repeatedly, by industry people that I will never get anywhere doing this, and that I should listen to the radio to learn what I "should be doing". It drives me nuts.

Ok, End of Rant. :D

Anyway, simple isn't necessarily better. Clarity though, is. If people get confused by song structure that is too weird or melodies they cant follow, they tune out. I've tried to keep things straightforward but was just told by a dozen players the other day that I was "too obvious". Then again, regular people who don't like i-guitar said "I don't normally like that stuff, but I did like that." So who knows? It's all audience and what you want to do.

Rand

[theguitarist]

i think the reason is that there is a smaller section of people who like to listen hardrock or what a guitar player can easily understand and like.Therefore these groups are now making music for the mases that is the normal public not the real hardrock.Well i also think we should not mind it because that music is also cool and there are many other artist who are making great music for us guitarists :D and offcourse great guitarist will always keep coming to the stage as long as our beloved teachers are teaching us

[Unhorizon]

Just a quick word about the corporate guys or the guys who hand out the record deals. I know it sucks that they are reluctant to sign "different" bands that aren't as popular, but can you really blame them? I mean, if I was one of those guys I probably wouldn't sign someone like Steve Vai. I love his music and am a big fan, but him selling a lot of records isn't exacly a sure thing, and you probably won't see him or any other great musicians like him on TRL anytime soon, which is what brings in the $$. So I know it sucks, but to really make it I think a band that actually has some talent is going to need some killer song writing skills as well. A huge fan base from shows played isn't a bad idea either.

And no, simplicity is not the way to go(unless you like it). You should pick up the new guitar world, or just read this next sentence. Zakk Wylde says to always be true to your music, and make and play music because you love it and for no other reason. So if you love playing and listeniing to nu metal, go for it, you might get a record deal. If you love country, do the same. I just think that's a great point that whatever type of music you want to make, that is what you should make no matter what.

[Axe-aholic]

I don't blame the corporate guys..I just put to blame the fact that music has become an 'industry'.

Just a side effect of capitalism and modern technology, I guess.

I think a band that actually has some talent is going to need some killer song writing skills as well

If you're really talented then you can write a good song, let's hope. All the bands I know of that have killer songwriting skills (with a few exceptions) are not very popular...

[GtrvVampyre]

I think as guitarists we think these bands suck cause of the guitar parts taking no skill (and plus alot of bands so repedative or lame and the riffs are somthing my mom could pop out on a guitar) but its all in taste. Zack Wylde isnt very simple, he still incorporates solos and sells albums. People now arnt going to listen to instrumental unless you have fine taste in music or you play guitar and are very interested in it. Metalica also can do some un-simple songs especially when they get with an orchestra and it sounds great. (dont really like their decline into the nu-metal depths though). It irks me when people know i play guitar (but havnt heard me) and jet will come on or some song like that and they will say "oo bet you cant play that!" and you just want to scoop their eyes out of their skull with a serrated grapefruit spoon. Its more along the line of "no more awsome solos, just pump out a catchy tune that will stick in peoples heads" I think its a taste in music and people today dont appreciate the people that make up the band so much as the singer. In my opinion back in the 70's people were into guitar at insane ammounts. So many great guitarists sprung up and it wasnt uncommon to see a kid banging on a guitar in his free time. Now it seems people are more into the lyrics and the singing than anything else. I dunno, could be alot of reasons why people changed their listening styles but i dont particularly hate it. As long as people like Zack, Yngwie, Steve and the rest dont die out with no other great guitarists come along and rap and nu-metal take over everything then im fine. I acually like korn and some bands like that, granted i'll never learn to play their music cause it just doesnt tickle my pickle. Then again if the corporate guiys never give people a chance then the mainstream sound is gonna stay the same... Simplicity is probably the more successful route but the often taken. I'd rather take the road less traveled :) ;)...

[Unhorizon]

Catchy tunes are fine, but they could try to add something to the songs besides a nice melody. I'm studying jazz right now and learning "Giant Steps" and how to solo through it. I think most bands just string together riff after riff and pop some words on top of it. The result sometimes is pretty cool sounding, but it gets old... and once you've released 2 or 3 albums of riffs I think you can leave the music arena. Know what I mean?

[GtrvVampyre]

Yeah, lol...i still wish zeppelin were together :(....i'd give anything if i coulda seen them in concert...*sniff sniff*....kinda got off topic didnt i o.o

[Koala]

Well id hafta agree with you, I know many of these new songs but still they just dont cut it like older music.
Im not that old, and most of the music I listen to was recorded even before I was born.
I guess its a generational thing, plus the business side of matters, plus our getting old.
Too many factors involved and not much ado about it, cept writing your own stuff that works for you and try to get it out there.

[Metal Dan]

Just a quick word about the corporate guys or the guys who hand out the record deals. I know it sucks that they are reluctant to sign "different" bands that aren't as popular, but can you really blame them? I mean, if I was one of those guys I probably wouldn't sign someone like Steve Vai. I love his music and am a big fan, but him selling a lot of records isn't exacly a sure thing, and you probably won't see him or any other great musicians like him on TRL anytime soon, which is what brings in the $$. So I know it sucks, but to really make it I think a band that actually has some talent is going to need some killer song writing skills as well. A huge fan base from shows played isn't a bad idea either.

And no, simplicity is not the way to go(unless you like it). You should pick up the new guitar world, or just read this next sentence. Zakk Wylde says to always be true to your music, and make and play music because you love it and for no other reason. So if you love playing and listeniing to nu metal, go for it, you might get a record deal. If you love country, do the same. I just think that's a great point that whatever type of music you want to make, that is what you should make no matter what.


You should all shut up! Unhorizon has it covered ;) :D

[Dommy]

My Parents Music > Mine... wtf? I thought we were supposed to be PROGRESSING. I'd rather listen to The Lemon Song 100 times rather than listen to some of the bull**** that comes out today.

[LarryJ]

Zakk Wydle sells albums because he is tacked onto Ozzy, who has a huge tour in his name every year, and Zakk has been touring in one of the most sought after/respected guitar-rock bands since the late 80's/early 90's, one who still commands legions of fans and tons of respect.

If you listen to what he plays now, it sounds quite a bit like alot of the other bands out there, just with some solos thrown in.

Copy-cats have always been popular. Just as the "industry" has always been an industry, except maybe during the 60's when you could be an unsigned hippy folk act and actually tour. Of course, I doubt they were making much money, isntead just touring around in vw busses. You know how many songs follow the I-IV-V chord progression? Ever notice that the song 'wild thing' is the same exact riff as like 5 other songs?

Furthermore, I encourage you to read Chris J's article on this site about the future of music. The recording industry is basically just a means to promote music, thats what thye pay for, taking a chance, so they like to bet on sure/manipulative things. People never really liked sprawling 20 minute instrumental filled songs, the bands who could pull that off were exceedingly rare.

Nobody ever accused AC/DC of being too technical, yet they are still respected just as much as Steve Vai in the rock world. My point being, play what you want to play, play what you feel, not what you think will impress others. Steve Vai said it himself, a "steve vai concert is like going to berklee , out of an audience of 100, its 98 guys who play guitar, and 2 girls who are the guys girlfriends". I stopped lamenting the death of rock guitar a couple of years ago, theres TONS of fantastic players and music out there. There was boatloads of amazing players in the 80's, but only a small handful of them became even moderatly successful. Last I checked yngwie wasn't going platinum even in the 'glory days' and vinnie moore probably didn't even go gold...I think this "guitar god" period has become a myth more than anything else.

[LarryJ]

alright some more thoughts:

When Metallica started they were VERY simple. They were just FAST. Secondly, if you were alive during the 70's (I wasn't) but perhaps someone here can verify my thought; that 'guitar gods' didn't just spring out of nowhere. There was a few really big groups, and guitar was a key instrument in a band, but there was also your Chers and your Donnie and Maries and captain and teniles, and of course disco. Just because Led Zeppelin was popular and selling alot of records doesn't mean everyone was. Guitar oriented music is a refined taste, and music wasn't very broad back then. Now we have to contend with jazz, folk, nu metal, raps influences, thrash, electronica/dance etc etc. All of this has sort of combined to an extent and forced music to evolve with it to accomodate peoples diverse tastes and cultures, and MTV only furthers that by playing to the large audiences.

Kids used to play all day cause there was nothing else to do. They didn't have the internet, sattelite tv, video games and cell phones, or alot of times even use of the family car. They had a record player and a few records and a guitar. There's alot more competing for our time now, and becoming a fantastic musician doesn't interest kids as much anymore, especially specialized (in guitar) because of the diverse tastes out there. Rock stars are no longer heroes and idols bla bla ba bla bla bla....
/rant over

[kirk_wannabe]

Not a rant at all LarryJ, its true.

You're right, Guitar Gods r a think of the past.
I'm only 17, and suprise myself for not being drawn into the new scene of music.
I was brought up on Alice Cooper, Queen, Led Zeppelin, Van Halen and all the other greats.
I listen to Tender Surrender by Vai at school, I get the **** bagged outta me for it! Why u listening to that crap!?! NO WORDS!

I recently went to Big Day Out, ( purely for metallica )
and I must say, solos r coming back.
The Darkness are an excellent band. Not necessarily my style, however the guitarist is incredible. He ripped out a 10 minute solo. and I thought that was awesome.

[Chim_Chim]

I disagree that complex music can't sell.

I think there's a market for everything out there.
Just slap some packaging on it and sell it.
All it takes is to air it on Mtv.Impossible?
Metallica did it didn't they?
How long was One?

That's a pretty long and complicated song for Mtv.

I think if you show it people will dig it.
Mtv just chooses to show the fluff.

If there were a "REAL" music video channel out there to
get stuff shown on things would be a little better.

If there was a way to get teenagers interested in REAL MUSIC without
having to mention Satan every 10 seconds then maybe some Adults could dig it too.


We need more video channels that cater to different people's tastes and perhaps other video channels that are more about bringing people together.

As of now everything is geared towards those snotty spoiled brat teenagers whether metal or pop.

There must be some musical common ground that exists where we can all enjoy actual music together instead of being polarized into these little subgenres.

There needs to be more common ground.

[kirk_wannabe]

MusicMax is pretty good! :D

I wish I could write something as good as one! more-so lyrically
Love to come up with something like a soldier losing all limbs, his eyes, his hearing, and yet not being able to die.... loved analysing that song for a school project!

[GtrvVampyre]

My Parents Music > Mine... wtf? I thought we were supposed to be PROGRESSING. I'd rather listen to The Lemon Song 100 times rather than listen to some of the bull**** that comes out today.

AMEN!!!!

[ReinierK]

I think people like Prince (or symbol, whathaveyou) and Matt Bellamy are people who make a change in music nowadays...

Problem is, it's not about music, it's about money basically. When muse score 'high' with a song, it's a catchy one and one 'the others' are willing to lkisten too...

Remember, the average family prefers Christina Aguilera in their quite home, over say: Dream Theater... Just because the music is more 'accesible'...

A lot of people wished it was the other way around, but if you're willing to make non-mainstream music, then you should accept the consequences... You can't change it anyway ;)

Van Halen was popular because they were in a time with lots of rebellion going on in the mob that was buying records... Nowadays we're all spoiled and have not so much to rebel against, so we prefer to listen to softer and 'happier' music...

We need a new world war or something for guitar music to kickback to ;)

[phantom]

We need a new world war or something for guitar music to kickback to
wrong suggestion

[Metalliska]

I think guitar hero's and the shred style may be on the way back in, When nirvana popped on the sceneback in the early nineties it sunk the hyper solid technique, blistering solos, and volumes of theory out of the music scene, replacing it with, slow dirgy, thickly distorted powerchords, everything became about simplicity, drums and bass followed basic rhythms to form back beats and most of the singers (kurt cobain), as randy put it, he brought about a revoloution, and over the last 10 years or so guitar music, and musicianship died, why do you think so many bands and musicians these days could tell you the first thing about a major triad, hell i know a guy whose been playing over a year and he doesn't know his basic open chords for christ sake.
Things are on the change though, the darkness, who Kirk Wannabe mention are a band who take of the seventies spandex style, don't get me wrong I think they're crap personally and I think the lead guitarist, justin hawkins is trying to a be a guitar hero that he really isn't. Another band who were recently sign who I heard of are a band called avenged sevenfold, they blend the punky nu-metal sound with some mean shredding, the lead guitarist Synster Gates taking his cues from tbhe likes of john petrucci, i think he even studied at Berkley music school.
I also see a lot of younger people these days listening to the likes of Metallica and Iron Maiden from the days of the guitar hero. I think things are on the change again, metallica's last album was dirgy nu-metal, and I more than anyone loathes it, but then I again I think they have a cunning plan too, they've managed to relaunch thier name and thier image to a younger generation, if indeed guitar heroism and shred does take off again, then they'll be in the perfection position to release a more old school album like the stuff they used to do, with a damn good chance of it selling. I'm not entirely sure, but I think were about to see another revoloution. Glad I'm here for it.

[Metalliska]

I think people like Prince (or symbol, whathaveyou) and Matt Bellamy are people who make a change in music nowadays...

Problem is, it's not about music, it's about money basically. When muse score 'high' with a song, it's a catchy one and one 'the others' are willing to lkisten too...

Remember, the average family prefers Christina Aguilera in their quite home, over say: Dream Theater... Just because the music is more 'accesible'...

A lot of people wished it was the other way around, but if you're willing to make non-mainstream music, then you should accept the consequences... You can't change it anyway ;)

Van Halen was popular because they were in a time with lots of rebellion going on in the mob that was buying records... Nowadays we're all spoiled and have not so much to rebel against, so we prefer to listen to softer and 'happier' music...

We need a new world war or something for guitar music to kickback to ;)Matt Bellamy Good, World Wars Bad!
Christina Aguilara Gooood, Her music Baaad.
Songs that are 'nice', or 'easy listening', v. bad. I like to think in a totally arrogant sort of way that music is art, and it ought to make you think, even inspire, not just provide a nice sound.

[Caffeinated Cat]

My theory is that MTV's product is no longer music - it's celebrity shows. Interviews of entertainers, shows featuring entertainers, shows about entertainers, etc. They show a lot more of that than they do of music videos. Considering that, they want to interview people who are as freaky as possible. Joe Guitar Player, who plays great music, is not something they'd be interested in unless he also is a whacked out numbskull or something. So they promote the product made by the entertainers who fit their idea of the good interview subject. Somebody you can do a "secret life of" show about. Somebody who's probably wanted for a felony someplace. Somebody for the audience to laugh at, like a guest of the Jery Springer show.

Anyhow, that's my theory.

[wild_child]

i agree.
mtv rarely actually plays music videos these days. they prefer to play "reality tv" shows like "cribs," "the osbournes" "newlyweds" etc. all often about entertainers, but their music or whatever is rarely shown or even refered to.

HOWEVER this emergence of tv shows as opposed to music videos on mtv is because of the creation of all the other mtv channels (mtv2, mtv base, mtv hits etc) and these channels play nothing but music videos all day.
What is interesting, is the democratic way that videos are selected. It is much like the 'list' system in proportionally representative elections (nobody but political scientists and residents of countries using that system will know what i'm on about!)
People are given a choice of videos that come up at the bottom of the screen, and must ring in (or "press red") to select which one they want to be played next, the one with the most votes, does get played next. This shows that although mtv is only providing a fairly limited selection of music, it is up to the audience to decide what they want to see within this. The increased number of channels focusing on individual genres also lets the viewer decide what their into, and can watch the "rock" channel without being spoonfed r'nb or what have you. AND dedicated channels can "dig deeper" into that particular genre and bring out a few of the more obscure artists because they only have to please a single group as opposed to trying to make a microcosm of musical tastes, that can only focus on the most in demand artists of the time.
in short, although mtv still does dictate somewhat the definition of "what is cool," things are moving away from this and advances in technology encourage viewer interactivity and ultimately, mtv could be playing what the people want, as opposed to the people wanting what mtv plays.

just my thoughts on the topic

btw, Caffeinated Cat, welcome to ibm!

[Metal Dan]

Yeah I always figured MTV stood for MUSIC TELEVISION, but what the hell do I know :D

[Caffeinated Cat]

Thanks for the welcome!

[Bizarro]

Don't forget that Christina Aguilara is an extreme talent and vocal virtuoso. She is every bit as good at singing as Steve Vai is at playing guitar. Her level of talent is rare in the pop music biz, but she took it right to the top. I don't like her music, but her talent cannot be denied.

Most of the rock music today is performed by solid musicians. Those guys in Jet are pretty darn good, even tho' they aren't going to play a cheesy shred solo. Nickelback has GREAT musicianship. Don't think that just because they have some popular songs, some of which are easy to play, that they aren't good.

I wish GnR hadn't crapped out. They had interesting songs that weren't a verse/chorus/verse/chorus cliche that you could predict before you even heard the whole song.

Band like Kansas, Led Zep, VH, Doobie Brothers, etc. had awesome songs and musicians but they're gone now...

One thing we should all do is buy music that we like. Record companies sign bands that sell records, that's their business and that's what pays the bills. If we all go out and *buy* the newest Satriani record and he sells 5 million copies than you can be sure the record companies will sign 10-20 hot guitar players hoping for a repeat. We'll all be happy because there'll be tons of popular guitar music and we'll all seem cooler because we happen to play guitar too! :eek:

Rant? What rant? I'm just trying to get over 1000 posts! ;)

[steffyweffy777]

I have to say, people constantly complain about the radio, but I just put out an album of instrumental guitar and have already been told, repeatedly, by industry people that I will never get anywhere doing this, and that I should listen to the radio to learn what I "should be doing". It drives me nuts.


Don't worry, I am a great singer and been compared to Paul Rodgers, and infact have had auditions for bands signed and ready to go, and even some SONY guy wanted me to audition for some 'manufactured rock band', and had some bands whose sinegrs left and they need a replacement, but I have never sold out, as frankly, all those bands were mediocre and I need to learn guitar properly as can't find any good ones in my circles and if I spent the time playing instead of jumping in and out of bands as a singer, i would have been brilliant and been the axe man of a top band I'd have formed !

I am 35 though and by the time I do this I will be 40, so I guess record compannies may find me unmarletable too, but i guess i didn't sell out as i don't care for fame or fortune if it's wrong, I love music and want to achieve my best and be proud of it, not play **** to get famous and make money, or I can do music for fun and go and work in some high paid office job, because you can't even enjoy performing if ioy's not something your heart is in, and you know being a fake is something only fakes do......

I tell everyone to stick with it, and go on myspace, do gigs as the undergound scene will accept everyone who is great and can hold an audience of people into what they are !
Aslong as you get paid and enjoy yourself, why worry about fame and fortune.....

Record compannies will however take not if you happen to get such a huge folowing that they then decide they want to cash in on it and sign you because you have been packing out huge venues !!!

That's why I will try and get good on guitar and write my own proper songs, and do the same, and if people like a guy who will be over 40 and will make amazing msuic, and I get audiences who appreciate my music and will buy a few albums etc, well good, if not I will just have to live rough and be happy.

The improtant thing is not to follow the talentless music of today but to make music you want to listn to which would happily sit alongside the music of your heros.....it must not be good enough, it must be bloody amazing !
No compromise....

[Chim_Chim]

Shred was around waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before Nirvana and shred is here still.It just never was or never will be as popularly accessible to the masses the way Nirvana was.I liked shred before,during and after Nirvana and I liked and do like Nirvana too/still....

If Zep was around it wouldn't make shred any more popular or accessible.

Different stuff is popular for different reasons.

Zep probably falls somewhere inbetween Nirvana and Shred in terms of speed and soloing.

Satch,Vai and Eric Johnson are the most popular instrumental guitar players because they have songs that are more in the rock vein which automatically makes them more radio friendly since they are capable of the radio hit singles and that is why they reach more people.

You start shredding in the neo-classical vein at hyperspeeds and people are going to think it sounds monotonous and like you are overplaying or you are an Yngwie clone or wanna be or whatever.This kind of music will almost always appeal to guitarists and metalheads exclusively since they can get the most out of it that they can use in their own musical technique or whatever.

But I really hate this thinking that it all has to be this way or that way or that Nirvana and shred are at odds.

Shred lived.Hair metal died.That isn't anyone's fault.Hair metal just had alot of strikes against it and now we look at some it and laugh at how dated it looks.Personally I never liked the sound either but that's because I am very particular about things like singing and lyrics and I expect everything to sound as aesthetically and musically appealing as possible and could give two ****s about fashion or style or the L.A. this or Seattle that.Just give me music that sounds good that will last and stand the test of time.

Edit: Oh yeah. Simplicity is always the way to go in terms of creativity as well as MEMORABILITY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Somehow music is more sentimental to people if they can actually REMEMBER IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a timeless rule of MUSIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Breathe it ........

:)

[grae]

There is a way to circumvent the industry and get your stuff heard. It's called internet radio. If you have a sound thats good you just need to get your music to the multitude of radio stations on the internet which play your genre of music and you will be heard by 1000's of people. I listen to mostly blues and i was amazed how many new blues bands there are and i am actually seeing some of these obscure new bands showing up at festivals and such. Not to mention the jamband scene.

[joeyd929]

There is a way to circumvent the industry and get your stuff heard. It's called internet radio. If you have a sound thats good you just need to get your music to the multitude of radio stations on the internet which play your genre of music and you will be heard by 1000's of people. I listen to mostly blues and i was amazed how many new blues bands there are and i am actually seeing some of these obscure new bands showing up at festivals and such. Not to mention the jamband scene.

Does Garageband.com have internet radio? I have some music posted there.

Speaking of jam bands..I live in Connecticut and there is a 3 day jam band thing going on July 20 through 23. Like 20 bands and camping. It is at the Lebanon fair grounds. 25 bucks for a one day pass. Hope to get there On Sunday, July 23..

[Blutwulf]

I'll never stop being surprised by people who feel that there is something wrong with professional musicians seeking to make money. A fundamental way to make money is to give the people what they want.

Mainstream is mainstream because the largest demographic samples, selects, and is responded to by producers who feed them what they have asked for. If buyers today seem to spend their money on Green Day, Shakira, and Shania Twain, guess what kind of music will be hitting the shelves tomorrow?

The seductive notion is that people buy that because it is what they're exposed to. "If only they could be expose to the music we like, then they would buy it, and we'd all be treated with a decade of guitar-oriented rock." Do you think major labels neglect to test markets? Do you imagine that they do not find out through market research what new marketables can expect as a return? Think they're not after a buck?

Tastes are tastes. If the guy down the street doesn't like 70's rock, he is hardly a testeless person because of this. If people generally don't like an instrumental album of some shred maestro, do not imagine that they would suddenly develop the taste were they to hear some on the radio. When you play some Gilbert for your friends, do you hear:

a) "Hmm. I have never heard that stuff before. However, I have not heard enough to pass judgement."
or
b) "Nah, I don't like that stuff."

Just maybe the ignorant herd HAS heard it before, and simply doesn't like it.

[UKRuss]

I find it hard to believe there is a guy sown your street who doesn't like 70s rock!

:eek:

[Blutwulf]

Me too. But I guess tastes vary from person to person, and possibly no tastes are "better" than any others.

The guy needs to cut his grass, too. The punk.

[forgottenking2]

I have no problem with labels marketing the cookie cutter stuff. (The whole marketable product thing that they love to bring up in sales seminars and stuff). But it does kind of hurt when pretty faces with little talent (skill would be a better word) monopolize the market. I suppose we did it to ourselves. We decided we'd rather have a hot actress on television or the big screen as opossed to one that could do all her own stunts (like the female version of Jackie Chan). Then some guy said in a label said "Hey! Let's bring pretty girls with hardly any clothes on and the guys won't care about the music" and they did and we didn't care... we bought the pics we went to concerts we watched the interviews. we made them stars. When we woke up, we knew how to play the guitar but nobody cared 'cause we weren't girls and we weren't naked... we tried to bring it back but it was too late. The hotness had taken over. And... this began as a serious post but it degenerated into this... I don't know why.

God help us all

[Chim_Chim]

Honestly,70's rock WOULD sell.

The dance/pop crap is always going to be there.

People just need something rockin that they can grab onto.It's never going to happen with people shredding like diarrhea while spewing satan-metal.Sorry kids,never gonna happen.Adults want something a little more mature than that to listen to and most of the kids like that dance/pop stuff and some of them like pop punk and emo.Hard cheese to swallow but there it is.But rock shouldn't be such hard cheese to swallow and I don't know why anyone thinks it is.Stop trying make guitar only music played at ridiculous hyper speeds or at LUDICROUS SPEED! And stop gargling Satan's balls and calling it music. :mad: :D

I can listen to rock,blues or jazz and every other word isn't satan.

Well what's wrong with rock,jazz and blues and "some" instrumental music?

And instrumentals don't have to be lightning fast all the time either.LOL :D

^ They can even be acoustic,even be pretty and mellow.


So maybe...

Simplicity + diversity = the way to go !!
And then present it in a way that has more of a broad appeal.
Instead of shredding like diarrhea or satan-metalling,lol.

I just hate when everyone is on the same trips.

Where's the diversity in that?

There is an avenue where diversity fits but where everybody can all be doing something different from eachother.It's called ROCK!

Let It Be...

LET THERE BE ART !!

Simplicity is always the way to go in terms of creativity as well as MEMORABILITY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Somehow music is more sentimental to people if they can actually REMEMBER IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a timeless rule of MUSIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Breathe it ........

*Go for broad appeal instead of pandering to the narrow fetish or special interest.

So go for thickness of sound and remember that speed is just a tool.

Happy sonic layer cakes. :)