OrG, Nice Sartre Quote

[IdViscous]

I love that quote in your signature... Six Feet Under isn't bad either, I perfer Cannibal Corpse Barnes...

anyhow, i was reading up on the forum, im new and tried to latch onto a conversation being out of my element here as a newbie. Of course im a big fan of ol' Jean Paul

[oRg]

Thanx, I like the quote also. It's pretty deep. I thought it was quite thought-provoking and what better place to get people thinking than on a music forum...lol.

Six Feet Under is pretty good but Cannibal Corpse IMO is way better. I'm also kind of fond of their new singer. Pat O'Brian is an awesome guitarist. I think he's better than Owens in alot of different ways. I just bought the first cd "Corpsegrinder" appeared on, which I'm pretty sure is Gallery of Suicide. It's a very awesome CD. They have a couple slow, dark, brooding songs on that album. It's pretty good. Though I have to say Barnes sings "Hammer Smashed Face" alot better than the new guy.

[aaeolean]

The first CC albun Corpsegrinder was on was "VILE".

BEN

[fortymile]

i assume that that quote is from 'on being and nothingness'?

when taken out of context it begs the question: how many conscious beings do you know who walk around being conscious of the fact that they're nothing?

not many...not many :(

[oRg]

The first CC albun Corpsegrinder was on was "VILE".

BENYeah, I forgot about that one. Your right. No wonder "Mumified in Barbed Wire" is one of my fav CC songs...lol. It was Gallery of Suicide that they first picked up 7-string guitars.

I actually pulled the quote off of a quote board. I rememberd hearing it one time from my English teacher and it kinda stuck in my head but I could quite rememeber it. So I went to a philosophical quote site, can't remember which one, and found it under the category "Consciousness" or something like that. Not many people ponder its meaning but I know when I did it seemed quite insightful and true.

[fortymile]

BUT the quote is only true for those who take the time to think about consciousness and who thence discover its complete and absolute ephemerality.

[IdViscous]

BUT the quote is only true for those who take the time to think about consciousness and who thence discover its complete and absolute ephemerality.

Well that's why Sartre lumps those who don't acknowledge their temporal being into a category of bad faith... Say what do you guys think of a band named bad faith... in the Sartrean sense for intension but its easy words and anyone can get anything out of it.

[fortymile]

oh yeah! bad faith. i forgot about that term. what all does it entail? not acknowleding your temporality, ok. what else? and why did he choose that name, bad faith?

[IdViscous]

oh yeah! bad faith. i forgot about that term. what all does it entail? not acknowleding your temporality, ok. what else? and why did he choose that name, bad faith?
well bad faith entails acknowledging that you have a choice in the matter and that you have an essence... its like the role you play when your working customer service. Not acknowledging that you are what you are not and you are not what you are.

[fortymile]

hmm i dont follow that. dont you mean that bad faith is FAILING to acknowlege that you have a choice in the matter?

[IdViscous]

hmm i dont follow that. dont you mean that bad faith is FAILING to acknowlege that you have a choice in the matter?
No, its affirming that you have a choice (transcendence)... but saying you are what you are, which fixes you as a block of identity (facticity), and limits your choices (when in fact since the choice is often absurd it can contradict any essenc eyou may impose on yourself). The problem of bad faith is that you are in full control of what you make yourself by the 'nature' of consciousness, which means contradicting any essence (existence preceeds essence), yet somehow decieving yourself into beleiving the essence is preset.

[fortymile]

ohhhhh, ok.

seems like it limits choices, though. i mean, to believe essence is primary over existence, you would lose the sense of yourself as existence. you would make choices only from within your identity, and tend not to see other possibilities, since you are identified with a false identity.

i need to read this book again

[IdViscous]

ohhhhh, ok.

seems like it limits choices, though. i mean, to believe essence is primary over existence, you would lose the sense of yourself as existence. you would make choices only from within your identity, and tend not to see other possibilities, since you are identified with a false identity.

i need to read this book again
Yeah thats how i saw it for sure... the problem is any identity is a false one, since it can be contradicted by choice...