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JeffN
12-27-2004, 05:07 AM
In 4/4, the back beats are on beats 2 & 4. How does this relate to 3/4, or other time signatures?

rmuscat
12-27-2004, 08:07 AM
it says here (http://cnx.rice.edu/content/m10956/latest/) that the weak beats in 3/4 are 2 & 3 i.e. strong weak weak strong weak weak

Los Boleros
12-27-2004, 03:26 PM
it says here (http://cnx.rice.edu/content/m10956/latest/) that the weak beats in 3/4 are 2 & 3 i.e. strong weak weak strong weak weakYes and here is an example: Aguacate (http://www.losboleros.net/music/aguacate.mp3)

phantom
12-28-2004, 09:38 AM
you could do some funny stuff if you dont go by the rules though.

for example: if you take two 3/4 time measures and accent every second beat you'll get (s meaning strong, w meaning weak).

1 2 3 1 2 3
w s w s w s

you see it would repeat every 2nd time.
accent displacements will surely grab your listeners attention as it is again the
flow.
there are other polyrhythmical monsters arond here who could do even weirder stufffff f-f . i just wanted to add the 2 cents i got for christmas as the posts above were totally right already :rolleyes: :D

Malcolm
12-29-2004, 05:58 AM
Here in East Texas there is something about that:

Boom, strum, strum, Boom, strum, strum .....

that will fill the dance floor. :p

Factor
12-30-2004, 12:14 PM
Having the 3 beat as a back beat is also pretty common, at least in some folk music.

| 1 2 3| 1 2 3 |


BTW, I'm an LTWFTW (long time watcher, first time writer). IBM is cool :)

rmuscat
12-30-2004, 12:23 PM
hey factor welcome to ibreath!

yes those accents can turn a "normal" beat into something completely different.

i believe the solo of pink floyd's another brick in the wall too have an accented 3 while all other beats are left weak!

Me and a drummer i know spend 30m working on the first 10s intro to The Mystical Potato Head Groove Thing it turns you NUTS!

check the tune out although its 4/4 -- after breaking my back trying to count and asking him at the end (listen to the high hats)

i find it hard to apply this stuff to guitar, accenting notes is a blurred issue to me, I can't make any distinction when a note is accented or not (i can't pinpint exactly). On the other hand accenting melodies by "restarting" them or hitting a bass note helps....

any tips?

sorry a bit off topic

phantom
12-30-2004, 12:23 PM
oh yeah! nobody mentioned that one!

hey why don't you introduce yourself in the new member zone!
well if you been a LTWFTW you all that already :) .

welcome! ibreathe is cool!

Factor
12-30-2004, 12:42 PM
Done, Check out the "Lurker Surfaces" in the new zone :)

An accented beat or note, is when it is a bit louder than other notes. Accentuation is a fickle thing though, if you accent all the beats in a bar, they automatically de-accentuate themselves as they are all of equal volume. :p

Factor
12-30-2004, 12:45 PM
In 4/4, the back beats are on beats 2 & 4. How does this relate to 3/4, or other time signatures?
Ah, I think I misunderstood. The back beat is the equivalent of the weak beats in a bar? Then the second beat in 3/4 could be said to be the weakest beat.

phantom
12-30-2004, 12:51 PM
well i think it always depends on the style of music you are playing.
i've seen bands playing weak beats all night :D .

Los Boleros
12-30-2004, 03:48 PM
Ah, I think I misunderstood. The back beat is the equivalent of the weak beats in a bar? Then the second beat in 3/4 could be said to be the weakest beat.Hey Factor!
Welcome aboard.
I think you will notice that the Server is pretty fast here at IBM. (as compared to HC):D

johnvanlerberg
12-30-2004, 06:56 PM
Are you speaking about the webserver? ha ha

I don't really understand this question either, but it's nonetheless intriguing :). I thought most rock songs have the beat of 4/4?

Los Boleros
12-31-2004, 02:03 AM
:). I thought most rock songs have the beat of 4/4?Oh, Are we talking about Rock? I thought everybody here played Boleros.:D

JailHouseRock
12-31-2004, 02:13 AM
Yes and here is an example: Aguacate (http://www.losboleros.net/music/aguacate.mp3)
Nice song, Boleros. Do you also sing for your band?

Back to the topic, I always thought that in order to play solo in 3/4 beats, it gotta be pretty fast. :confused: Cuz I was reffering to 'paganini caprice #14 by Mike Campese' too.

rmuscat
12-31-2004, 08:05 AM
Are you speaking about the webserver? ha ha

I don't really understand this question either, but it's nonetheless intriguing :). I thought most rock songs have the beat of 4/4?

most yes ... all no
Pink Floyd - Money (blues/rock - 7/8)
Meshuggah - probably no straight 4/4 song! lol
Dream Theater - extremly good use of combining time signatures in most material

also 3/4 is not necessary fast. The tempo defines that - take the waltz example

boleros LOL

Los Boleros
01-01-2005, 01:24 AM
take the waltz example

boleros LOLIn Latin, "Valse."

JeffN
01-01-2005, 07:41 AM
Hey Factor!
Welcome aboard.
I think you will notice that the Server is pretty fast here at IBM. (as compared to HC):D
anything is faster than the web server at HC. ;)