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Dommy
01-13-2005, 02:08 AM
Anybody know of any methods for learning various latin rhythms in a progressive manner? Bossa, Samba, Rhumba.

I'm looking for two things:

An encyclopedia type thing of various latin rhythms

A progressive method for learning latin rhythms and their variations.

aaeolean
01-16-2005, 10:17 PM
That would be cool. I wish I could help but I suck!

Los Boleros
01-25-2005, 12:27 AM
Anybody know of any methods for learning various latin rhythms in a progressive manner? Bossa, Samba, Rhumba. .I am not a huge fan of Bossa Nova or Samba, But I love Afro Cuban, Son Montuno, Cumbia, Boleros, Valtes, Danson and many classic Latin Rhythms. I can tell you this.

The first thing about these rhythms is Clave.
This is an under-lined beat at the heart of most latin Rhythms. It only comes in two basic forms, 2-3 or 3-2. The first one is two hits then three and the second one is three hits and them two. The 2-3 is the most polular but a good 3-2 can be very contagious. There are different styles of Clave also. Some songs will have an African 3-2 and others a Cuban 3-2. Both will have the same number of hits but on different beats. The Clave is the first thing you figure out in a Latin Rhythm and then once it is established, all the accents will fall on that. The instrument most commonly used is a couple of hardwood sticks that are also called Clave sticks. Listen to these examples and hear the clave.

LosBoleros Bamboleo (http://losboleros.net/music/bamboleo.mp3) a fast 2-3 Clave

Los Boleros Carretero (http://losboleros.net/music/carretero.mp3) a moderate 2-3 clave

Compay Gato[ (http://losboleros.net/music/CompayGallo.MP3) this fast song starts out with a 2-3 clave but quickly switches to a 3-2 clave. Listen closely as the clave changes frequently on this song. Fun!

Some songs will not actually play the clave but its essense is still there. Many times a Cow-bell is used like a ride cymbal when there is no clave.

Los Boleros No me Llores Mas (http://losboleros.net/music/no_me_llores.mp3) Just a steady Cow-bell riding in the back

As far as the guitar goes there are alot of three note cromatic lines in the chord structures. What I mean by that is that while you are arpegiating the notes of the chord, Look for the three notes that can be thrown in rhythmically in the groove. Such as if it's A7 then you can do a G,G#,A or A.G#,G or a D,D#,E or F#,F,E, or a B,C,C#. just pick one and work it into the groove.

Check out this video example for the Tres Guitar. keep the groove moving (http://tres-lessons.soneros.com/lesson3.htm) Listen for the cromatic lines.

Some listening recommendations for the guitarist wanting to learn afro Cuban Rhythms would be:

Elliades Ochoa any album but the latest (Estoy como nunca) is awesome.
Compay Segundo
Buena Vista Social Club

SkinnyDevil
01-25-2005, 02:26 PM
That would be cool. I wish I could help but I suck!

Am I allowed to say bull**** in this forum? Hahahaha!!! I heard your soundclips, bro - you definitely do not suck.

Los Boleros - thanx for the lesson! I'm off to check out some of the listening suggestions.

mjo
02-02-2005, 10:13 PM
Now, this is cool !
I'm lovin' this stuff but, I can't hear the Clave. It may be the dumb little speaker on my Mac or, my ignorant ear - I can't make it out.

Los Boleros - can you help me listen for the right thing here ? Is there a particular part in each measure that I'm looking for ? I think I understand the concept but, I can't hear it in tunes.

Thanks, very much !
:Mike

Los Boleros
02-03-2005, 01:34 AM
Now, this is cool !
I'm lovin' this stuff but, I can't hear the Clave. It may be the dumb little speaker on my Mac or, my ignorant ear - I can't make it out.It's very loud and clear on all three examples. On the first two songs, it sounds like a couple of bamboo sticks and on Compay Gallo it sounds more like two coco-nuts shells. The first two songs are a 2-3 Clave. Listen for it, it sounds like 1,2,,,1,,2,3.

Is there a particular part in each measure that I'm looking for ? I think I understand the concept but,Once the beat is established, the Clave playes through-out the song.

mjo
02-11-2005, 09:03 PM
That's hard for me ! My Norwegian blood just doesn't want to groove that way ;) I loose it once the band kicks in. I did have the chance to hear a simple example that really 'showcased' the Clave (the ?), so I'll keep trying.

Very cool music Rudy, I really enjoy that !

-best,
Mike

Poparad
02-11-2005, 09:09 PM
An excellent book for learning the basics of Cuban music is "The Salsa Guidebook" by Rebeca Mauleón. For Brazilian music, check out "Inside the Brazilian Rhythm Section" by Nelson Faria and Cliff Korman. Both are published by Sher Music.

Nelson Faria has also written a book called "The Brazillian Guitar Book" that is Guitar specific, and also a good read, and also published by Sher Music.