How long?

[nils152]

hey ive been playing for a little and i would like to know how long it took some off you guys to get to the point of being able to play rippin solos such as eddie van halen, gilbert etc? i kno people progress at different rates etc but i was just wondering and thought it would be cool to know. i have a friend who has been playing for 5 years and can't perform any solos by any band. hope i don't end up like this! come on iguys inspire me! thanks

[rmuscat]

this kind of question comes up quite often.

it all depends on the quality time you put to your playing/practice. I've been playing 12 years and i still suck. Some guys on the boards have been playing much less and are pretty fluent on the instrument.

You will also note a tremendous amount of ups and downs in your playing. Its moody. So stick with it have fun on the way.

It took the big ones years of practice to get where they wanted to get. And most of them never stopped practicing and not pushing their limits further!

my 2c at least

[JohnJumper]

hey ive been playing for a little and i would like to know how long it took some off you guys to get to the point of being able to play rippin solos such as eddie van halen, gilbert etc?
I have been playing 19 years and .... uuuhhh ... I can't play any rippin solo's like van halen or gilbert... :rolleyes: ...

i have a friend who has been playing for 5 years and can't perform any solos by any band. hope i don't end up like this! come on iguys inspire me!
You probably really don't want to end up like me! I just recently learned all of one Eric Johnson peice but it is definitely not rippin. Does that mean I am no good? I hope not...

You learn what you focus on. I was all into blues improvising for years and so I can lay a blues lead over anything. I am also very good at improvising melodic leads over more complex diatonic chord progressions. I play at Church in a group that does not rehearse. The chior leader just e-mails the song titles out and we show up on Sunday. Pretty much all I need is the key the song is in. Once I hear the main melody I am off and running. Quite often I get a whole chorus and verse to improvise over. I often get compliments so I don't think I'm no good... :( ...

The other advise for someone just starting out is to get a good teacher. Like rmuscat says, your gona have ups and downs. That external pressure of a lesson can really motivate you to pick up the guitar each day and work at it...

[E. Lusive]

Well lets see...I have been playing for about 9 months, and I practice A LOT! Mostly cause I'm holed up in a tiny dorm room with nothing to do all day. Anyways, as for solos: I can play A lot of Metallica Solos quite perfectly (Fade to Black, Master of Puppets, Orion, Call of Ktulu) some Boston (Hitch a ride) and Scorpions(Rock you like a hurricane, No one like you) and Eruption by Van. I don't know how many of those you consider rippin solos but...

[Arpetude]

it depends on what you want to do with your time.

if you buy a paul gilbert instructional and swear to yourself that you WILL be able to play everything from it all at full tempo. then - if you spend hours of disciplined practice a day - you WILL be 'rippin' in merely months!. try it yourself, check out the review section at ibreath and pick up the instructionals tonight. i know i did and i was 'rippin' FAR faster than any other guitar player around me. and i saw MASSIVE leaps in my playing every few months.

E. Lusive i don't care how much you practice.....i practice more. i am the practice king! i practice right hand technique in me sleep.:D

[MattW]

I practice right hand technique in me sleep.:D
You know that'll make you go blind, right?! ;)

[Arpetude]

lol. i didn't see that one coming:cool:

[fretmonster1]

it depends on what you want to do with your time.

if you buy a paul gilbert instructional and swear to yourself that you WILL be able to play everything from it all at full tempo. then - if you spend hours of disciplined practice a day - you WILL be 'rippin' in merely months!. try it yourself, check out the review section at ibreath and pick up the instructionals tonight. i know i did and i was 'rippin' FAR faster than any other guitar player around me. and i saw MASSIVE leaps in my playing every few months.

E. Lusive i don't care how much you practice.....i practice more. i am the practice king! i practice right hand technique in me sleep.:D


well someone around here is modest huh
arpetude I must say that ever since i started reading your posts, my hatred for you has grown deeper than the po river valley. do you even know where that is? your wasting my air please stop you ****ing theif, all you seem to be so far is a wannabe shredder with no style or originality. please take your home grown 'skillz' and shove em up your ***, no one needs another yngwie.

[Factor]

Easy there - "fretmonster1", you can take that hatred and leave it at the door please. :)

You don't make yourself look that good either by putting other people down!

Does he hurt you doing the stuff he does? No.

[Arpetude]

thanks factor, i do not know what is wrong with fretmonster1, all in want to do is help people...when i first heard yngwie i thought....if i could play all those licks off the instructional DVD then i would try my best to help other people learn in that style,gee i hope i am not intimidating people:(

[Factor]

No not at all. It's just that for some people it's hard to believe that you've achieved what you say you have in such a short period of time. And envy leads to doubt, leads to disbelief, which leads to anger and so on.

I would say you are an inspiration for people, and that you should ignore people throwing stupid remarks like "fretmonster1". Do your thang Arpetude!

[SatchFan1012]

I'm 100% with Factor, FretMosnter you need to relax man. Arpetude gives damn good advice. He helped me out bigtime just a day or so ago. This is a public forum and if Arpetude wants to talk about Yngwie ( who by the way is a phenomenal guitarist ) than thats his right. No bodys forcing you to sit their and read his posts, so if you dont like what he has to say then dont read it. But other people in this fourm apreciate his help, so lay off.

[Arpetude]

thank you factor and SatchFan1012 vbmenu_register("postmenu_65883", true); . i would also like to point out that i am impressed with your knowledge on jazz theory, keep in mind that you have only heard my strengths not my weaknesses. for example los bosorelos (spelling) is an AWESOME theory guy, his theory is on a different planet, i am not nearly at the level of theory as he is, but i am not intimidated but inspired by his knowledge. i could have spent 12 hours a day reading up on theory and talk on the theory forum. i went the other way and i am on the technique side. please try and not be intimidated. when i first heard JP do that chromatic exercise i was inspired not intimidated or discouraged. i signed up on this forum to understand theory better because there is no better place than ibreath to study pure theory. i was also hoping to help people with their technique as i am quite proficient in that department. if we musicians put our strengths together we will acheive anything we want to. if we ignore each other we are only inhibiting our musical expression. we're all in this together people. there is no competition among eachn other...it is only in the mind.

[Factor]

Hmm, what odd posting by Fretmonster anyway. He post some in november, then comes back at the start of april (perhaps this is his bad idea of a april fools joke?) and posts these two diss-posts. Perhpas he just had a bad day?

[Mateo150]

Be cool people.
well I know people who can solo well, but choose not to during shows, or do very limited solos. I feel this is actually tasteful rather than going on..and on... and on... shredding and trying to show off and what not... really dull and pointless, and I do wish that that person would stop when I hear stuff like that at a show or at jam sessions. I mean, enough is enough.

I've only been play gitar for 4 years, well, like 4.2 now... so don't take anything I say or do seriously... I'm definitely not a qualifed certified authenticated quality inspected distributor of gitbox wisdom (that disclaimer lasts for anything I say to anyone...)

Personally I'm much more interested in making people smile, laugh, and dance as opposed to "appreciate". I want them to appreciate the time and vibe, not appreciate the monstrous skills and bow down and say "we're not worthy" by intimidating them. Thats stupid. I'm not much of a soloist, but usually I can lay down a pretty good groove. IMO - its better to learn 20 simpler songs - Highway to hell, smoke on the water/catscratch fever, etc... than learn one song... I mean, you can spend a year learning one song and put on a 4 min show hoping you don't screw up, or learn 20 songs and put on an hour show in comfort of the material your playing. Just my feel, thats kinda what I'm doing now, going back and learning every simpler song I can find. Its fun too, learning a song in 2 days vs. 2 months... And I love those comical songs, think its time for me to learn some Tenacious D.

[SatchFan1012]

I thought it was uncalled for. We're spost to be helping eachother not making conflict.

[SatchFan1012]

Tenacious d rocks. They do allot in their songs for just 2 guys. plus there funny as hell. And kyle the guitarist simple enough so that its easy to learn to play, but quick so that its entertaining.

[Factor]

Be cool people.
well I know people who can solo well, but choose not to during shows, or do very limited solos. I feel this is actually tasteful rather than going on..and on... and on... shredding and trying to show off and what not... really dull and pointless, and I do wish that that person would stop when I hear stuff like that at a show or at jam sessions. I mean, enough is enough.
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Personally I'm much more interested in making people smile, laugh, and dance as opposed to "appreciate". I want them to appreciate the time and vibe, not appreciate the monstrous skills and bow down and say "we're not worthy" by intimidating them. Thats stupid. I'm not much of a soloist, but usually I can lay down a pretty good groove. IMO - its better to learn 20 simpler songs - Highway to hell, smoke on the water/catscratch fever, etc... than learn one song... I mean, you can spend a year learning one song and put on a 4 min show hoping you don't screw up, or learn 20 songs and put on an hour show in comfort of the material your playing.

I agree with your general sentiments, having a large repertoire of songs, chords, rhythm and melody is an often overlooked aspect of general musicianship outside the folk/jazz/classical genres.

I have some objections though.

What seemed like endless noodling in most jazz I heard 2-3 years ago, now is starting to make sense. There's the magnificent record Kind of Blue, where the soloists take turns soloing, and they weave a composition in realtime. Beautiful.

I'm sure that if I got serious with listening to shred of fast rock or whatever you want to call it, I would find that certain something. I admit that I can't really enjoy most shred music today, but I also respect and accept that it has a value of its own, which I'm unfortunately not privvy to, yet.

The "laugh and dance" vs "appreciate" is two completely different musical traditions, and can't be compared directly. this is very evident when comparing folk music with classical music. Very stark in contrast. Whereas folk music is all about living with the music, contributing with cheers and clapping, classical music is about appreciating and observing and applauding. I'm not trying to judge between the two, I see strengths and weaknesses in both of them, but be aware of these two different traditions.

Shred is more in the classical tradition than regular blues/rock/pop which is meant for dancing (hailing to blues' african roots, where entire villages participates in the music making).

[EricV]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arpetude
I practice right hand technique in me sleep.:D

You know that'll make you go blind, right?!

lol. i didn't see that one coming:cool:What did you expect in a thread titled "How long ?" :)

Sorry, yet another bad pun ( after the one in the announcement forum ), I guess I need more sleep
Eric

[rmuscat]

yes cut it out fretmonster.

We all persue our own goals individually and help each other in the process. Over here crappy players talk to pro's and learn from each other. Its incredible. Some of these pro's have enough stuff up their sleeve to take the piss on me for a lifetime but they respect us like we were at their level. Let's just be good to each other.

If you don't like what arpetude has to say ignore. BUT i'm sure you can learn something out of there, probably arpetude can learn something off you too.

So lets all be good boys and love each other lmao

Trust me if anyone really starts breaking b*lls he will be taken care of by the mods ;)

[Arpetude]

I agree with your general sentiments, having a large repertoire of songs, chords, rhythm and melody is an often overlooked aspect of general musicianship outside the folk/jazz/classical genres.

I have some objections though.

What seemed like endless noodling in most jazz I heard 2-3 years ago, now is starting to make sense. There's the magnificent record Kind of Blue, where the soloists take turns soloing, and they weave a composition in realtime. Beautiful.

I'm sure that if I got serious with listening to shred of fast rock or whatever you want to call it, I would find that certain something. I admit that I can't really enjoy most shred music today, but I also respect and accept that it has a value of its own, which I'm unfortunately not privvy to, yet.

The "laugh and dance" vs "appreciate" is two completely different musical traditions, and can't be compared directly. this is very evident when comparing folk music with classical music. Very stark in contrast. Whereas folk music is all about living with the music, contributing with cheers and clapping, classical music is about appreciating and observing and applauding. I'm not trying to judge between the two, I see strengths and weaknesses in both of them, but be aware of these two different traditions.

Shred is more in the classical tradition than regular blues/rock/pop which is meant for dancing (hailing to blues' african roots, where entire villages participates in the music making).
very good analysis Factor. i agree with the shred one:D

said by mateo150
I'm definitely not a qualifed certified authenticated quality inspected distributor of gitbox wisdom.

neither am i man, i know little about alot of guitaring and alot about a little. if we put our minds together we would all learn so much, i know i have learned alot from the theory + technique articals. lets be nice everyone

[Arpetude]

oh and anothe piece of advise that i think ericv and the such will agree with.

the thing is that people give up too fast because they dont see the development. they may give up an yngwie lick in say an hour. because you can only play it 'slow' and not 'fast'. but they are tempos inbetween those 2. actually there is alot of space and time to be filled its marked by a device called the metronome, the metronome is the only way to see the development, once you can see it along with a pattern you are unstoppable . check this out:

yngwie lick no5. monday tuesday wednesday thursady
--------------- 128bpm 129bpm 130bpm 131bpm

now we are begining to see the pattern,by a quik math sum we can see that we are getting faster slowly...this is how i felt when playing these licks... i was developing slowly...so in 2 months we would reach the disired tempo..that's right 2 months is what i said...not years....now they may be some days when you go faster. some slower. but the average tempo is that of 1 bpm a day.

practicing for 4 hours a day is better than practicing for 8 hours every other day, because you will waste the first hour getting the speed you were at 2 days ago. you can keep a note of many licks and vary your practice shedule. don't try to get one lick down faster in that day . focus on many and it will be more fun to practice, you will begin to notice that when improving lick 6, lick 5 automatically becomes faster!!!!!!!!. how did that happen?.......well you'r constantly challenging your brain to perform these motions . the motion from one lick to the other is probably not that much different as it's still under the catergory (in your brain) as 'learning to play faster and with coordnation'. if you keep a note of everything you will be pleasantly suprised:D