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Simon3
01-08-2003, 10:39 PM
Hi,
Could any of you please supply me with some cool neo-classical licks please? Also could you please explain to me exactly what neo-classical is and recommend some songs I should listen to. (note: I have probably already listened to them, but this is just for reference.) Aswell as this, if you know any good sources of tab or websites for either neo-classical or cool classical stuff on the internet could you please tell me. ( it does not matter who they are by as long as they are good :) ) I'm trying to learn classical AND metal neo-classical so any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Si.

EricV
01-08-2003, 10:58 PM
Well, uhmmm... "neo-classical" to me is stuff like Yngwie Malmsteen... you know, classical influences used in rock music, played on electric guitars.
Hope that is what youre referring too...
Well, some cool neoclassical albums:

Yngwie Malmsteen- Rising Force, Concerto in Eb minor, Fire & Ice
Jason Becker- Perpetual Burn
Cacophony- Speed Metal Symphony
Vinnie Moore- The Minds Eye

Malmsteen is one of the trailblazers in that area, and his debut ( the aforementioned "Rising Force" ) influenced a bunch of players.

Regarding neoclassical licks, I was planning on something like that anyway ( but there are also articles about Petrucci, tapping, scales over chords coming up, so... ), and why dont you check out the all new article by our newest contributor Mike Campese ?
Its a guitar arrangement of a piece by Paganini ( who influenced many of the neoclassical players )... click
HERE (http://www.ibreathemusic.com/play/article/92)

And Ill try to provide an article about neoclassical licks and stuff soon. CHeck out the thread about pedalpoint-licks here at the forum, that technique is an important component of the neoclassical guitarists repertoire
Hope this helps
Eric

szulc
01-08-2003, 10:58 PM
http://www.ibreathemusic.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=189&highlight=mordent

szulc
01-08-2003, 10:59 PM
http://www.ibreathemusic.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=134&highlight=sweep

EricV
01-08-2003, 11:01 PM
Well, you could also check out my articles about picking and sweeping... those are essential techniques for Malmsteen-type stuff... and I also wrote one about the "Perpetual Motion" by Paganini...
Eric

Maarten
01-12-2003, 11:44 AM
In fact, the term Neo-Classical refers to the music that emerged after the atonality of Schoenberg and his followers which took elments of classical music and merged it with the more modern composition methods. A better term for it would have been neo-tonal. The later Stravinski is a good example.

just for the record :-)

DracWell
01-12-2003, 06:26 PM
Hey EricV... on the tapping article will you bring up more advanced tapping like the ones Michael Romeo (SymphonyX) uses and tapping with more fingers on the right hand?

It would be great, I'm a huge tapping freak *lol*

EricV
01-12-2003, 07:39 PM
Definitely... I will try to cover the basics first, then Id like to talk about Greg Howe-style ( incorporating tapped notes into lines ), and then go over to licks & exercises using more than one r.h. finger, a la Vai, Batten, Steve Lynch etc.

This one will take a while to prepare, cuz itll feature soundfiles ( MP3s ) and scheduling is tight, since the EVB will start recording guitar tracks again from Wednesday on ( YAY ! )

And I like tapping, too :)
Eric

Jason7
01-14-2003, 08:00 PM
Simon3,
I would definitely check out Yngwie Malmsteen's instrumental album Rising Force. Also listen to early Tony Macalpine and Vinnie Moore albums. As far as classical playing, learn as much Bach as you can, beginning with Bourree in E minor, and then advance to the more complex pieces.

EricV
01-14-2003, 08:23 PM
Hi there,

I agree... ( BTW, "Rising Force" has some vocal-tracks on it also, but Im just being a smart-a** here ).
Some more recommendations:

Yngwie Malmsteen:
Rising Force
Fire & Ice
Alchemy ( Yngwie said that this one featured some of his best playing )
Concerto for Electric Guitar & Orchestra in Eb Minor ( that one really is all instrumental, and features many of Yngwies best licks and melodies... I dig it )
Yngwie kinda wrote the book on the neoclassical thing, and theres a lot to explore here....

Vinnie Moore:
Minds Eye
The Maze

Tony MacAlpine:
Edge Of Insanity
Maximum Security

Jason Becker:
Perpetual Burn

Racer X:
Street Lethal
( Paul did a lot of Yngwie-style licks back in those days... )

Alex Masi:
In The Name Of Bach
( Corny title, but the record actually is cool... he arranged some of JS Bachs pieces for electric and acoustic guitar... has one of the very few electric guitar versions of the "Toccata in D Minor" I actually like... well, actually he combines electric and acoustic guitar on that one ... )

And yes, "Bourree" is a good piece to start, when it comes to an actual classical etude ( played on an acoustic guitar or clean electric )
But when it comes to neoclassical licks for a distorted guitar ( Yngwie-style ), you should get familiar with all the fun techniques like picking, sweeping etc., and take a look at diminished arps, and check out some works by Bach or Paganini to get some ideas...
Ill soon write an article about licks and exercises from the "neoclassical world", so stay tuned.
Until then, check out the stuff Jason and me recommended
Eric

Simon3
01-14-2003, 08:46 PM
Thanks very much :)

phil
01-29-2003, 02:20 AM
also listen to:

Conrad Simon
Bernd Steidl
Stefan Forte (Adagio) => http://stephanforte.multimania.com
George Bellas => http://www.georgebellas.com
Pascal Allaigre => http://guitarweb.multimania.com/pascal.html
Uli Jon Roth => http://yehao.com/UliJonRoth
Toyz => http://www.toyz-web.com
Victor Smolski => http://www.victorsmolski.de
Luca Turilli => http://www.lucaturilli.com
Neal Nagaoka
Patrick Rondat
Project Alcazar
The Great Kat => http://www.greatkat.com
Hess => http://hess.4t.com
Jens Johansson
Vitalij Kuprij
Nightwish
Dark Moor
Therion

have fun ;)

metallibeast
01-29-2003, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by EricV
Id like to talk about Greg Howe-style ( incorporating tapped notes into lines ),

Are you taking about something like PG's Green Tinted Sixties Minded intro?

Does Greg Howe do that alot? Could you recomend some songs?

Thanks

-Beast

EricV
01-29-2003, 12:24 PM
Hi there,

yes, Greg often uses tapping in that way... throwing in a few tapped notes, like an extension of the left hand, instead of doing the "HEY GUYS, SEE, I AM TAPPING HERE !"-thingy... if you know what I mean.
Hes not using tapping as a separated technique or something, he uses it to create some great lines, "weaving" tapped notes into his lines.
I guess that is what makes it so hard to tab out some of his stuff.

That has become an integral part of his style, and you can hear it in many of his songs. To name just two solos, check out the intro-solo of "Heat Activated" from his most recent album "Hyperacuity" and the mind-boggling solo in "Direct Injection" on the "Introspection" album...

Im sorry its taking a bit longer with the tapping- and neoclassical-articles etc, I just am caught up with a lot of other stuff...

Eric

EricV
01-29-2003, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by Maarten
In fact, the term Neo-Classical refers to the music that emerged after the atonality of Schoenberg and his followers which took elments of classical music and merged it with the more modern composition methods. A better term for it would have been neo-tonal. The later Stravinski is a good example.

just for the record :-)

Hey Maarten, woops, I missed that post, sorry

Anyway, yeah, I figured someone would point this out. Its a matter of definition. Actually, neoclassical music should be called "neoclassical rock music", since its not related to the "neo-tonal" or "contemporary classical music" youre mentioning.
So its a matter of definition, and I am pretty certain that Simon3 was asking for licks in Malmsteen-style, not Stravinski-style :)
Eric

Swede
04-24-2006, 10:06 PM
*hint*

Neo = reborn