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DracWell
01-12-2003, 05:06 PM
Hm. I just read this article. About the polyrhythms...

I can't see a meter when one hand taps 1 2 3 4 5 6 and the other accents 1 & 4 as a 2:3 polyrhythm. It's 2:6... 2:3 for me is 1 2 3 and you accent 1 and the right t'ween 2 & 3. So it all looks like 1 - 2 x 3... if you understand how I mean.

Another nice polyrhythm is 4:3. In 3/4 you play the 1/4 notes and with another hand you play dotted 1/8 notes. =)

szulc
01-12-2003, 05:31 PM
Right, the idea is that you need to break the meter up into the least common multiple to get enough beats to accomplish this.
I guess I should have said count 1-6 tap your left hand on beats 1 3 5 and you right hand on 1 and 4, sorry for the confusion. This is what I meant to write. The MIDI example is correct just the wording need to be changed.

3/4 and 4/3 is the same thing you need to count 12 (3x4) and tap on 1 4 7 10 with one hand and 1 5 9 with the other change hands to make it 3/4 or 4/3 it is just a matter of which (Beat)hand is your reference. Thanks, I'll get the article corrected.

DracWell
01-12-2003, 06:21 PM
No problem, great article anyway =)

I just got confused when I read it. All I could think is "hey, this is just a 6/8 accented as triplets".. hehe.

But really, all those odds like 2:3 and 4:3 are REALLY good to learn, they really spice up your tunes or solos or whatever. I love them. hehe

Zenith
01-12-2003, 11:29 PM
Another good one which isn't too complex is 4:5. Then you have to break the meter up into 1/16's and accent 1 5 9 13 and 17, plus 1 6 11 and 16.

szulc
01-13-2003, 02:12 AM
You meant break it up into 20 counts.

Zenith
01-13-2003, 08:42 AM
Sort of. I meant 16th notes... But it's 20 of them, yeah, because of the five beats.

DracWell
01-14-2003, 04:43 PM
Argh. Don't you think I just HAD to write 4:5 down so I could learn it? *mumbles* Its hard, but usefull... After I learnt 4:3 I really could kick those dotted 1/8th accuratley at a good speed.

I got a tip from my teacher in Music Theory that I should see them as a whole rhythm first and learn that. Then later on I can concentrate on the different beats. The only problem I have now is that I can't alternate the pulse. In 4:3, 3 always is the pulse for me, can't nail it with feeling the 4 as pulse.

But that 4:5 is hard when you've just fixed the 4:3

Zenith
01-14-2003, 06:00 PM
Of course, 4:5 is much harder than 4:3 or 3:4. It's not that difficult when you're focusing on the 16th's, but when inverting it you get quintols (i'm not sure if that's what they're called) - which isn't so easy. If you have a sequencer you can record the polyrythm and learn it by doing the rythm yourself together with the looped recording.