View Full Version : Mixing Scales? Creating Nice and Fast Solo?
namle
11-29-2005, 08:00 AM
Hi everyone... im very new here... this is my first thread and would like to ask all of you guys about how to mix scales together to create solo...
what i mean for example Ritchie Blackmore on some of his solos that he actually mixes Minor Scales with Dorian together create smooth and nice tone when run down fast from the 1st string... besides mixing this 2 scales i know nuts about the rest
so anyone can help me?
and besides sometimes i cant really play solo ALL OVER THE PLACE... for examp like i only stuck mostly at one position to play solo... how do i learn to play solo on the whole guitar neck?
finally... how do you exactly SHRED? i mean Yngwie with Steve Vai and Joe Satriani are so amazing with their lightning speed shred... besides FAST fingers... what else do i need to know to shred?
thanks a lot... pardon me for being a noob and ask so many questions here... apperciate all your helps... :)
guitarded
12-02-2005, 01:02 PM
there was a post i read about when u solo you should think about a strong emotion. like start thinking about your first breakup then a rollercoaster ride then getting in a huge fight with your best friend, etc... your mind will move your fingers and manifest your feelings into sound.
Malcolm
12-02-2005, 03:11 PM
what i mean for example Ritchie Blackmore on some of his solos that he actually mixes Minor Scales with Dorian together create smooth and nice tone when run down fast from the 1st string... besides mixing this 2 scales i know nuts about the rest
Simple rule -- if your chord progression you are playing over is a minor progression then use the minor scale, the blues scale, the minor pentatonic or one of the minor modes -- Dorian, Phygian or Aeolian (which is the same as the minor scale)
If you are playing over a major chord progression use the Major scale, Major pentatonic and one of the major modes -- Ionian (which is the same as the major scale), Lydian or Mixolydian -- and yes the blues scale can work over either a minor or major chord progression. You may have a little problem going from one to the other -- I use major or minor arpeggio patterns to ack as a bridge between scales and modes.
and besides sometimes i cant really play solo ALL OVER THE PLACE... for examp like i only stuck mostly at one position to play solo... how do i learn to play solo on the whole guitar neck?
You must learn the other pattern positions and diatonic up the neck 3nps /4nps patterns. By the time you are at ease mixing scales and modes you will be ready to take on going up the neck, but first things first..... get comfortable with just mixing scales and modes down first.
finally... how do you exactly SHRED? i mean Yngwie with Steve Vai and Joe Satriani are so amazing with their lightning speed shred... besides FAST fingers... what else do i need to know to shred?
Can not help here. I do not shred. Some one else chime in..........
finally... how do you exactly SHRED? i mean Yngwie with Steve Vai and Joe Satriani are so amazing with their lightning speed shred... besides FAST fingers... what else do i need to know to shred?
dont get me wrong, im no where near that (satch vai yjm) level of shred, but ive noticed that just from lots of improvising practice, you start to develop faster ways of keeping the melody. like at first when you start practicing lots of improvising, you will probably find that you play reasonably slow, and focus primarily on creating a good melody to fit over the background. as you become more familiar/comfortable with the intervals of a given scale/scales, the idea's that come into your mind while improvising seem to get more complex the longer you play. of course this probably wont happen unless you study and play faster music, for example, learning lots of "cacaphony" or "satch" or "vai" etc will get you familiar with effective ways of phrasing those fast licks so that you know what to use where.
anyone with decent chops can rip up a scale pattern over a backing track, but to actually play something at that speed which not only fits the song, but adds depth and emotion to the underlying melody is something that is only developed with lots of practice and experience.
that's my take on it, other's might have a different take on it though, we all learn differently :)
Bande
12-03-2005, 11:47 AM
Yes, <KF> made a really good point.
If you want to master the technique of shredding, you will have to practice pretty much, doing picking, finger independence exercises, learning licks, all this to a metronome to help you gradually increase speed (without a metronome its pointless to do such exercises). Believe me, it's really tough and it's hard work, but it's worth it.
BUT. If you want to be able to IMPROVISE on a speed like that, you'll have to work on not just your physical abilities to play fast, but you will have to improve the speed of your thinking. You will always have to know what you are going to play in the next 2 seconds, otherwise it will just sound "mindless shredding". Well, THIS is the hardest part I think
Music Mania
12-04-2005, 10:17 AM
A really good sound i've come across when improvising is the natural minor combined with the harmonic minor. Take B minor for example. It is simply all your 7 major scale boxes except you start with the aeolian box in the B root note. To combine that with the harmonic minor, you would simply add in a Bflat occasionally. It is important when you add this note in becuase just that one change of tone can do so much to your solos. If you use a standard harmonic minor backing track under this then it sounds great.
As for improvsing while shredding. All the above points are what you need really. It takes hard work, knowing how to practice and even more hard work. For shredding while improvising.. well.. just an absolute knowledge and understanding of the scale you're using is required really. If you're struggling at one point then diatonic movements can always help and get you out of a tight spot and a cool trick is where you play diatonic notes on the top 2 strings from the scale you are using and just move this up the fretboard. Also. another thing to think about is what chord the rhythm section is playing as it helps if you focus the solo around the note the chord is playing or its dominant or whatever tone you're looking for.
Lateral practising of you're scale boxes also helps.
(((0)))
12-31-2005, 09:17 PM
"shreding" to most guitarist means playing notes in sync at a very fast rate.
If you want to learn to play all over the neck then listen to the bands you're trying to imitate and look up there tabs on google, Bands like King Diamond, BLS, and fate warning use most of the neck in some solo's, but stick to your preferred music genre.
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