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Thread: Inside Note, Outside Note, Alien Note & Blue Note

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    Inside Note, Outside Note, Alien Note & Blue Note

    1) Inside Note : The notes of the chord in the backround.

    2) Outside Note :
    The notes of the backround chord's scale although they are not chord tones.

    3) Alien Note (Foreign Note, Chromatic Note) : The notes except the notes of the backround chord's scale.

    4) Blue Note : The notes except the notes of the backround chord's scale although they are accepted as a part of the scale. (For example bIII and bVII in major scale)

    Am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanshin777 View Post
    1) Inside Note : The notes of the chord in the backround.

    2) Outside Note :
    The notes of the backround chord's scale although they are not chord tones.

    3) Alien Note (Foreign Note, Chromatic Note) : The notes except the notes of the backround chord's scale.

    4) Blue Note : The notes except the notes of the backround chord's scale although they are accepted as a part of the scale. (For example bIII and bVII in major scale)

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    More or less. These are somewhat informal, unofficial terms anyway, but I'd say:

    Inside note: chord tone, including any specified extension or alteration;

    Outside note: any other note;

    Blue note: a pitch in between tempered pitches, either a 3rd (between minor and major), a flattened 5th (anywhere between perfect 4th and 5th), or a 7th (between minor and major). Blue notes are usually flexible, not precisely tuned. They usually relate to the tonic (keynote) not a chord root (other than I).

    Diatonic note: note belonging to the key of the moment.
    Chromatic note: note outside the key of the moment.

    IOW, "inside" notes will probably be diatonic, but may not be.
    "Outside" notes will probably be chromatic, but may not be.

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    And these terms are related to the backround chord and its scale. Aren't they?

    (So they are not related to the song's key.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanshin777 View Post
    And these terms are related to the backround chord and its scale. Aren't they?

    (So they are not related to the song's key.)
    Well, "diatonic" and "chromatic" are related to the key. So is "blue note", IMO.

    "Inside" and "outside" are more informal terms, jazz terms. As I understand them (and use them myself), yes they relate to the chord, independent of key. Others may have a different view. (And some may define "blue note" differently.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanshin777 View Post
    (So they are not related to the song's key.)
    I meant here the song's key. (Not the backround chord's key)

    So aren't all these terms related to the backround chord (inside notes) and its scale (outside notes)?

    I assume that I'm right according to your answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zanshin777 View Post
    I meant here the song's key. (Not the backround chord's key)

    So aren't all these terms related to the backround chord (inside notes) and its scale (outside notes)?
    No. As I said, diatonic and chromatic are related to the song's key, as you put it. (Chords don't have keys on their own.)
    Sometimes a song can change key, so those terms would relate to a current key centre. But more than one chord would belong to that key.
    It's only "inside" and "outside" that relate purely to the chord of the moment. (And that's just my view and understanding, as I say.)

    There are occasions when a single chord would have a scale different from those around it (eg in modal jazz). In those cases, you might talk about "diatonic" and "chromatic", relative to that chord's mode - and they would mean the same as "inside" and "outside", because in modal jazz, any note of the mode (IMO) is "inside", even when not in the chord. (although there still might be degrees of "in" and "out". it's not black-and-white.)
    Otherwise - in functional progressions in major or minor keys - consider diatonic and chromatic as relating to the key, not the chord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonR View Post
    Diatonic note: note belonging to the key of the moment.
    Chromatic note: note outside the key of the moment.

    IOW, "inside" notes will probably be diatonic, but may not be.
    "Outside" notes will probably be chromatic, but may not be.
    Understood. Sorry and thank you very much JonR.

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