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Thread: Lydian Chromatic Concept

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    Registered User dusura's Avatar
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    Lydian Chromatic Concept


    just wondering if anyone has any experience of the Lydian Chromatic Concept ?

    Sounds kind of interesting but I don't know if it's worth buying the book.

    Anyone who knows about it and found it useful?

    I've got to admit - it sounds kind of dodgy.. like someone trying to legitimize jazz by constructing this grand theory. But this is only my impression - without knowing too much about it.

    Also, checked out some of George Russell's music . Sounds pretty average, like someone who tried to learn jazz from a textbook but he seems to have a pretty big reputation in some parts of the jazz world. Maybe that album is not his best work?

    I'd be interested in anyone's opinion about "the concept".

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    iBreatheMusic Modthor phantom's Avatar
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    Look at that: we even have a thread for it.

    Personally i don't know the book, but maybe the linked thread can help out.

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    I have the book, and its anything but dodgy. Its firmly based in the science of acoustics. He isn't trying to 'legitimize' jazz, theres no need to do that, its been a valid medium for expression since its creation. He is merely presenting a logical and coherent way for organizing tonal gravity. These aren't 'rules,' its a concept that exists whether or not you read or believe his book. Like Phantom said, look at the other threads first.
    Hard luck and trouble...

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    Registered User dusura's Avatar
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    Thanks guys. I'll check it out.

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    I agree with Dommy, a lot of great jazz players have studied this book. For horn players, it's almost required.

    I think the original George Russell's book is hard to locate, out of print and very expensive. I believe the original Russell has more theory concepts explained in detail than the David Baker version.

    I have the David Baker version also, and it's mostly a pattern exercise book like 1234 2345 3456 or 135 246 357 off the following scales. Also, there's some Slominsky patterns off the symmetic triads. I found Slominsky more useful and interesting than this book. Both are advance books in standard notation.

    The 9 scales of the Lydian Concept in the David Baker book are:
    Lydian Augmented
    Lydian Diminished
    Aux Diminished
    Aux Augmented
    Aux Dim Blues
    Lydian Chromatic (12-tone scale/chromatic)

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