Two Note Per String Diatonic Forms

szulc · 08-05-2002, 03:08 AM

The two note per string diatonic form has its usefulness.
The following Example intended to be played ad infinitum and moved diatonically through the scale ( in this case, Am Harmonic).

***EricV*** · 08-05-2002, 10:45 AM

Hi there,

that really is a nice exercise.
But... wouldn´t an upstroke on the B-string and a downstroke on the G-string ( 2nd & third note of the second sixtuplet grouping ) be "outside picking" ?
Eric

szulc · 08-05-2002, 10:53 AM

thanks I corrected it

**Guni** · 08-05-2002, 01:53 PM

Hi szulc,

That's a nice line. I am just not sure how you would use it and over what chord. You mention A harmonic minor right? But where are you getting all those notes from? Also the c# notes on the strong beats clearly implies a major or dominant sound (in relation to A).

Can ya pls elaborate?

Thanks,

Guni

szulc · 08-05-2002, 05:38 PM

It was late last night when I sent this in.....
I'll send in the corrected version tonight.
the C#'s should have been D's (15th fret) and the G should have been G#'s(13th fret).

**Guni** · 08-05-2002, 05:39 PM

ok thanks

Guni

szulc · 08-05-2002, 07:26 PM

I am glad some one was paying enough attention to notice my mistakes!

Thanks Guni and Eric

szulc · 08-05-2002, 08:20 PM

Here is what I really wanted to post.

szulc · 08-05-2002, 08:27 PM

Its Inverse.

szulc · 08-05-2002, 08:34 PM

Diatonic Movement

***EricV*** · 08-05-2002, 08:57 PM

Hey,
I dunno whether you intended them to be, but those are really cool picking exercises too ! Very nice, I like that harmonic minor sound...
Eric

**Guni** · 08-05-2002, 09:35 PM

yep cool - very nice lines and they force you to break out of the usual patterns ...

Guni

szulc · 08-05-2002, 11:14 PM

I was intending these to be an example of the kind of lines that lend themselves to 2 note per string patterns. The side effect is, that because they are fingered differently, the picking is not common. Some are difficult to play fast. But I believe these are less difficult than to play the same musical phrase with three note per string scales.

Interestingly enough the thing that got me thinking this way was trying to learn the nutcracker suite. The little phrases that are a hammer and then a pull to the same note, I couldn't find any other way of executing these phrases than to use two note per string patterns. On a Violin you have such a short neck it is easy to do on 1 string, on a guitar you need at least two.

I am Glad you guys liked it.

The cool thing is once you have the picking pattern burned in this can really fly!

***EricV*** · 08-06-2002, 10:21 PM

Funny you mention the classical influence... it reminded me a bit of the Moto Perpetuo by Paganini, which was a violin-piece too...

Very nice.
Thanks
Eric

szulc · 08-07-2002, 01:54 PM

Interesting. Did you ever notice Paganini's proclivity for Cycle IV?
The '5th Caprice' uses this a great deal as well as 'Moto Perpetuo'
and of coarse 'Caprice 24 and its Variations'.
i IV VII III VI iio V

08-05-2002, 10:45 AM	#2
*EricV* Ibreathe Music Advisor Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,096	Hi there, that really is a nice exercise. But... wouldn´t an upstroke on the B-string and a downstroke on the G-string ( 2nd & third note of the second sixtuplet grouping ) be "outside picking" ? Eric __________________ www.ericvandenberg.net "Talking Hands" shop Guitar Magazine Blog

08-05-2002, 10:53 AM	#3
szulc Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Jackson MS Posts: 2,234	thanks I corrected it __________________ "Listen to the Spaces Between the sounds." Szulc's Site

08-05-2002, 01:53 PM	#4
Guni i Breathe ... Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Austria & UK Posts: 1,570	Hi szulc, That's a nice line. I am just not sure how you would use it and over what chord. You mention A harmonic minor right? But where are you getting all those notes from? Also the c# notes on the strong beats clearly implies a major or dominant sound (in relation to A). Can ya pls elaborate? Thanks, Guni __________________ Please don't email or send me private messages with music related questions as they will be ignored. Rather use the forums for this and I will try my best to take part as much as I can.

08-05-2002, 05:38 PM	#5
szulc Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Jackson MS Posts: 2,234	It was late last night when I sent this in..... I'll send in the corrected version tonight. the C#'s should have been D's (15th fret) and the G should have been G#'s(13th fret). __________________ "Listen to the Spaces Between the sounds." Szulc's Site Last edited by szulc; 08-05-2002 at 05:42 PM.

08-05-2002, 05:39 PM	#6
Guni i Breathe ... Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Austria & UK Posts: 1,570	ok thanks Guni __________________ Please don't email or send me private messages with music related questions as they will be ignored. Rather use the forums for this and I will try my best to take part as much as I can.

08-05-2002, 07:26 PM	#7
szulc Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Jackson MS Posts: 2,234	I am glad some one was paying enough attention to notice my mistakes! Thanks Guni and Eric __________________ "Listen to the Spaces Between the sounds." Szulc's Site

08-05-2002, 08:57 PM	#11
*EricV* Ibreathe Music Advisor Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,096	Hey, I dunno whether you intended them to be, but those are really cool picking exercises too ! Very nice, I like that harmonic minor sound... Eric __________________ www.ericvandenberg.net "Talking Hands" shop Guitar Magazine Blog

08-05-2002, 09:35 PM	#12
Guni i Breathe ... Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Austria & UK Posts: 1,570	yep cool - very nice lines and they force you to break out of the usual patterns ... Guni __________________ Please don't email or send me private messages with music related questions as they will be ignored. Rather use the forums for this and I will try my best to take part as much as I can.

08-05-2002, 11:14 PM	#13
szulc Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Jackson MS Posts: 2,234	My Intent I was intending these to be an example of the kind of lines that lend themselves to 2 note per string patterns. The side effect is, that because they are fingered differently, the picking is not common. Some are difficult to play fast. But I believe these are less difficult than to play the same musical phrase with three note per string scales. Interestingly enough the thing that got me thinking this way was trying to learn the nutcracker suite. The little phrases that are a hammer and then a pull to the same note, I couldn't find any other way of executing these phrases than to use two note per string patterns. On a Violin you have such a short neck it is easy to do on 1 string, on a guitar you need at least two. I am Glad you guys liked it. The cool thing is once you have the picking pattern burned in this can really fly! __________________ "Listen to the Spaces Between the sounds." Szulc's Site Last edited by szulc; 08-07-2002 at 01:48 PM.

08-06-2002, 10:21 PM	#14
*EricV* Ibreathe Music Advisor Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,096	Funny you mention the classical influence... it reminded me a bit of the Moto Perpetuo by Paganini, which was a violin-piece too... Very nice. Thanks Eric __________________ www.ericvandenberg.net "Talking Hands" shop Guitar Magazine Blog

08-07-2002, 01:54 PM	#15
szulc Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Jackson MS Posts: 2,234	Paganini Interesting. Did you ever notice Paganini's proclivity for Cycle IV? The '5th Caprice' uses this a great deal as well as 'Moto Perpetuo' and of coarse 'Caprice 24 and its Variations'. i IV VII III VI iio V __________________ "Listen to the Spaces Between the sounds." Szulc's Site

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