Speaking in tounges.....

[szulc]

# I	# ii	# iii	# IV	# V	# vi	# vii

# IV	# V	# vi	vii	# I	# ii	# iii

vii	# I	# ii	iii	# IV	# V	# vi

iii	# IV	# V	vi	vii	# I	# ii

vi	vii	# I	ii	iii	# IV	# V

ii	iii	# IV	V	vi	vii	# I

V	vi	vii	I	ii	iii	# IV

I	ii	iii	IV	V	vi	vii

IV	V	vi	b vii	I	ii	iii

b vii	I	ii	b iii	IV	V	vi

b iii	IV	V	b vi 	b vii	I	ii

b vi 	b vii	I	b ii	b iii	IV	V

b ii	b iii	IV	b V	b vi 	b vii	I

b V	b vi 	b vii	b I	b ii	b iii	IV

b I	b ii	b iii	b IV	b V	b vi 	b vii

Cycle 5/4

[szulc]

# IV	# V	# vi	vii	# I	# ii	# iii

iii	# IV	# V	vi	vii	# I	# ii

ii	iii	# IV	V	vi	vii	# I

I	ii	iii	IV	V	vi	vii

b vii	I	ii	b iii	IV	V	vi

b vi 	b vii	I	b ii	b iii	IV	V

b V	b vi 	b vii	b I	b ii	b iii	IV

Cycle b7/2

[szulc]

# IV	# V	# vi	vii	# I	# ii	# iii

vi	vii	# I	ii	iii	# IV	# V

I	ii	iii	IV	V	vi	vii

b iii	IV	V	b vi 	b vii	I	ii

b V	b vi 	b vii	b I	b ii	b iii	IV

Cycle 6 /m3

[szulc]

iii	# IV	# V	vi	vii	# I	# ii

I	ii	iii	IV	V	vi	vii

b vi 	b vii	I	b ii	b iii	IV	V

Cycle m6/3

[szulc]

# IV	# V	# vi	vii	# I	# ii	# iii

IV	V	vi	b vii	I	ii	iii

iii	# IV	# V	vi	vii	# I	# ii

b iii	IV	V	b vi 	b vii	I	ii

ii	iii	# IV	V	vi	vii	# I

b ii	b iii	IV	b V	b vi 	b vii	I

I	ii	iii	IV	V	vi	vii

vii	# I	# ii	iii	# IV	# V	# vi

b vii	I	ii	b iii	IV	V	vi

vi	vii	# I	ii	iii	# IV	# V

b vi 	b vii	I	b ii	b iii	IV	V

V	vi	vii	I	ii	iii	# IV

b V	b vi 	b vii	b I	b ii	b iii	IV

Cycle 7/b2

[szulc]

Put That in your pipe and Smoke it!

[EricV]

Did ya ever check out the "Thesaurus Of Scales & Melodic Patterns" ?

[szulc]

Slonimsky

I was hoping this thread would be thought provoking, and cause some people to think about cycle without key reference. I didn't intend for it to be a scale reference. Somthing like pick any major scale and b the 3rd and 7th, start on b7 ( b7 Major) or b 3 b6 and b7 start on b3 (b3 Major).

Does this make sense?

[EricV]

Hey,

I do think it makes sense. I was just kidding, referring to Slonimsky... I actually was impressed by your posting,must have been a whole lot of work.
This really is an interesting concept, thanks for sharing !
Warm regards
Eric

[szulc]

Excel makes this pretty easy!

Have you heard Skolnick's "Standards for a new Generation"?
It is refreshing to hear things like "Still Lovin You" and "Detroit Rock City" done in this style. I think I could play this for my Dad and he would like it.

[EricV]

I only heard the "Detroit Rock City" version, and I liked that one a lot. Gotta check out the rest of the CD...
It´s a cool concept...
Warm regards
Eric

[szulc]

My resurrected thread for the day!
Since I have exhausted (temporarily) my cool thought provoking ideas, I am now on a mission to resurrect my old cool threads or answers to posts. This is one of my favorites!

[Bongo Boy]

Not as baffling as the first time I saw it, but questions came up.

What's the underlying motivation? Why?

What's the basis for selecting a) the degree(s) to alter and b) the degree to cycle on?

These aren't actually cycles, right? I mean, they don't return to the original scale.

[badgas]

Originally posted by szulc
Slonimsky

I was hoping this thread would be thought provoking, and cause some people to think about cycle without key reference. I didn't intend for it to be a scale reference. Somthing like pick any major scale and b the 3rd and 7th, start on b7 ( b7 Major) or b 3 b6 and b7 start on b3 (b3 Major).

Does this make sense?

I sure don't know what that means.
Maybe if I knew what the numbers like,
Cycle 5/4
Cycle b7/2
etc. meant.

I'm assuming that the horizonal list of numbers are notes, not chord progressions.
Each one is a scale of it's own, within ?.

I read about the circle of 5ths. Is this simular?
I'm really lost with this one.

[szulc]

Following the columns up or down gives you the cycle.
One number gives you the cycle inteval moving up the column and the other down the column.
The row that starts with I is your starting reference.
This can also give you the information about which notes to raise or lower to move from one key to any other key, by any interval jump. Several of these are not complete cycles, because they are an even number of half steps apart.